Italian Aircraft Instruments Data

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  1. Dogs

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    I am currently researching axis aircraft instruments and equipment, I have managed to locate instrument panel pictures, drawings, RLM datenblätter books etc ..that have given me a very good insight into German instruments and some data on Japanese (another book on order should give more complete picture). However the Italian aircraft have got me stumped!

    In a German Illustrated Parts Catalog the Instruments fitted to a particular aircraft are listed by FL number which when cross referenced with RLM books or cockpitinstrumente.de website gives complete picture. Also found a Japanese instrument site again that provides more detail.but...no italian website!

    My italian in very poor and I have to use google translate but even so have still managed to stumble on anything useful. I purchased IPCs, and Maint Manuals for the Macchi Mc200 and 202/205 but again I come to a dead end. The instruments are given a Catalogo Numero by the Regia Aeronautica. I imagine this is like the FL numbers issued by the RLM in Germany. I have not managed to find any reference material to complete my studies.

    I am seeking detailed cockpit pictures of the Fiat CR42, G.50, Macchi 200/202 and 205 to start. I would also like scale drawings for instrument panels again I have the catalogo numero but no references. If anyone can help with detailed references for Italian Instruments and cockpit equipment of WW2 I would be very grateful.



    Thank you.
     
  2. Micdrow

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    I found this a couple of weeks ago at an Italian museaum web site. I saved this because I thought it was intersteing its the cockpit drawing of a MC 205 thats labeled. Will see if I can find the link again. Below is the number links to the drawing.

    Enjoy Micdrow

    1) Manometro a 10 kg/cm2 per impianto freni carrello di atterraggio (FAST).
    2) Manometro a 250 kg/cm2 per comando oleodinamico carrello (Allemano).
    3) Manometro a 50 kg/cm2 per comando pneumatico mitragliatrici (FAST).
    4) Interruttore e spia per tubo Pitot riscaldato (24 Volt).
    5) Contacolpi elettrico per armi alari.
    6) Contacolpi elettrico per armi centrali.
    7) Interruttore generale.
    8) Manetta di comando ritardo magnete.
    9) Orologio totalizzatore.
    10) Altimetro da 10_000 metri tipo coloniale.
    11) Alloggio per sistemazione dell'indicatore visivo radiogoniometro.
    12) Manometro per pressone alimentazione.
    13) Manetta comando rubinetto filtri benzina.
    14) Indicatore di velocità a 700 km/h.
    15) Indicatore di virata normale.
    16) Indicatore di salita e discesa a 25 m/s completo di bottiglia termostatica.
    17) Orizzonte giroscopico bloccabile con levetta per correzione.
    18) Contagiri a 4000 giri/sec.
    19) Manetta comando arresto motore (intercetazione alimentazione benzina).
    20) Manetta di riarmo a mano mitragliatrice sinistra.
    21) Manetta di riarmo a mano mitragliatrice destra.
    22) Manometro differenziale per combustibile.
    23) Teletermometro doppio per acqua completo di tubazioni.
    24) Teletermometro doppio per olio completo di tubazioni.
    25) Manometro per lubrificante.
    26) Interruttore per pompa elettrica benzina.
    27) Spia pompa elettrica benzina.
    28) Quadro indicatore di posizione carrello e carrelino di coda.
    29) Astina per collegamento trasmissione di comando dell'innesto sincronizzazioni mitragliatrici installato sulla I serie (vedi tavola n. 16).
    30) Interruttore per circuito elettrico segnalazione posizione carrello.
    31) Interruttore e commutatore magneti.
    32) Distributore comando carrello.
    33) Indicatore posizione ipersostentatore.
    34) Distributore comando per ipersostentatore.
    35) Manettta di comando ritardo magnete (a destra) e manetta di comando per ausilio avviamento a bassa temperatura (a sinistra).
    36) Manometro a 10 kg/cm2 per circuito freni carrello.
    37) Manometro a 250 kg/cm2 per circuito carrelli.
    38) Manometro a 50 kg/cm2 per bombola aria compressa.
    39) Interruttore generale.
    40) Interruttore e spia per tubo di Pitot riscaldato (24 Volt).
    41) Interruttore sinistro e destro di massima da 15 A per circuito riarmo cannoncino sinistro e destro.
    42) Interruttore di massima da 6 A per chiusura circuito sparo.
    43) Predispositori sinistro e destro con contacolpi per cannoncino sinistro e destro.
    44) Contacolpi elettrico per armi centrali.
    45) Rubinetto per comando pneumatico armi centrali.
    46) Quadretto centrale completo di supporti antivibranti.
    47) Cruscotto.
    48) Cruscottino inferiore centrale sulla I serie.
    49) Cruscottino inferiore centrale sulla III serie.
    50) Cruscottino inferiore sinistro.
    51) Ordinata n. 4 di fusoliera.
    52) Ordinata n. 3 di fusoliera.
    53) Corazza paratesta pilota.
    54) Corazza posteriore paratesta pilota.
    55) Apertura per cavo tendi-bretelle pilota.
    56) Sedile tipo corazzato (senza cuscino) completo di attacco centrale per bretelle.
    57 Crichetto per la regolazione del sedile.
    58) Pipe anteriori e posteriori per fissaggio supporto sedile al pavimento.
    59) Raccordo sedile corazzato al paratesta per uscita pilota col paracadute.
    60) Supporto con slitta per bussola e collimatore fissata all’ordinata n. 4.
    61) Collimatore ottico a riflessione "San Giorgio tipo C".
    62) Mensola superiore e inferiore tra le ordinate 4 e 5 per attacco rinvio comando timone di direzione.
    63) Poggiapiede destro e sinistro.
    64) Supporto per rubinetto riarmo mitragliatrici.
    65) Traliccio per sostegno pavimento cabina di pilotaggio.
    66) Maschera per inalatore ossigeno.
    67) Manometro e flussometro.
    68) Inalatore ossigeno tip "Drager Auer II".
    69) Valvola di non ritorno.
    70) Bombola superiore ossigeno da 3 lt.
    71) Bombola inferiore ossigeno da 3 lt.
    72) Rubinetto per carico da terra bombole ossigeno.
     

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    Yes I have found this as well but unfortunately I require details of the instrument faces and manufacturers. They actually have a Macchi Mc205 in their museum. I found on a Sim website someone who worked there and asked him for pictures but no response as yet.
     
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    Here a couple of cockpit pics in this link,

    Macchi

    plus I have found this of a G55

    The label says 'warning - never fire below 1000 rpm or above 2600 rpm' and it's related to the synchronized MG on the cowling.
    It was a common warning for all Italian fighters.

    PS: One of our Customers is Finmeccanica, and this guys owns the restored Mc205 in Vigna di Valle museum, plus all the restoring team are their employees. I am trying to bribe one of their executives to let me visit their historical dept. with a camera and freedom of movement, it will take some time but if I will continue with this Company next year I am positive that I can make it !
     

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    Parmigiano,

    Can you try to find out about this catalogo numero system used by the Regia Aeronautica. I would guess your Italian is better then mine :D .

    There must be master lists somewhere that define dimensions, tolerances etc.. of the instruments. Like a drawing number. Can you also help me to locate drawings of the instrument panels? Are the drawings stored in Italian Museum Archives?

    Thanks.
     
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    Hi, greetings from Spain. Someone have information about german cokpit? (FL number, photos,...). Thanks a lot.
     
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    sorry for the delay and my English, I'm a new entry.
    It doesn' t exist a catalog number list of italian instruments, the "catalogo numero" is refers to manuals of use and maintening, or part list number of aircrafts and instruments f .e. C.A. 2 - Bussola Pezzani mod. 02 - uso e manutenzione.
    C.A. 272 FIAT BR.20 - catalogo nomenclatore (part list)
    In every boocklet you also can find the instrument sizes.
     
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    Hi,
    this is the first time I see your thread, so may be you aren't interested any more.
    Instead, if you are still looking for above info, my suggestion is to register on this website
    150GCT
    and ask there your questions.
    The above forum is frequented by several Italian experts.
    Among them there is Maurizio di Terlizzi who wrote several books on Italian WW2 aircraft and did himself 1:1 replicas of Italian gun-sights, like this one
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    Cheers
    Alberto
     
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    from ivankappa ,florence, italy

    i wish that this help you
    cheers
     

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    shots from CR-42 in Ialian Aviation Museum-Vigna di Valle ROME

    I hope that this help you
    cheer Ivankappa
     

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