SaparotRob
Unter Gemeine Geschwader Murmeltier XIII
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did the croatian air force use any bf 109G-10s?
or just Bf-109G-14/14AS
I mostly spotted only G-14/AS in footages
well i seen it well , thats possibly a G-14/AS
It doesn't matter if you are right or wrong, as long as you assert it with conviction.I don't understand the point in making stuff up. Seems pointless.
It's what made me the success I am today.It doesn't matter if you are right or wrong, as long as you assert it with conviction.
well there i go again, i moved off the one topic again
switched from japanese to german planes
It's what made me the success I am today.
i found a P-51C-11-NT 44-10784 (dorsal fin p-51C) shot down by a ki-44 over wuchow Nov 16, 1944 he was possibly shot down by ki-84 flown by wakamatsu (he claimed a p-51 on that date) or akiyoshi nomuraI know about P-51Bs vs Ki-84s which were discussed earlier in this thread, but I'm not sure about P-51Cs.
The ROC Air force P-51D shot down sounds interesting however I have no idea who the Japanese fighters were.
i found a P-51C-11-NT 44-10784 (dorsal fin p-51C) shot down by a ki-44 over wuchow Nov 16, 1944 he was possibly shot down by ki-84 flown by wakamatsu (he claimed a p-51 on that date) or akiyoshi nomura
ah wakamatsu claimed one over hankow wich is in wuhan far away from (wuchow) wuzhow
akiyoshi nomura claimed one over zaoqing wich is direct near wuzhow
was there any cases of n1k1 shooting down F4U's? or by A6M5The Ki-44 Aces book by Osprey talks a lot about the Ki-44 and Ki-84 vs P-51s over China in 1944, I recommend it if you haven't read it already.
This is incorrect. These were not P-51Ds that fought the 47th's Ki-84s but F6F-5 Hellcats from VF-16 off the USS Randolph. Ten of these Hellcats engaged the Ki-84s, of which they claimed twelve destroyed and one George destroyed but obviously these numbers are wrong with overclaiming and there was no N1K.Here are some encounters I know about:
On 28 July 1945, a large group of P-51D Mustangs appeared over Ozuki on a fighter sweep. The Ki-84s of the 47th Dokoritsu Hiko Chutai were caught during take-off and suffered heavy losses. Eight Ki-84s were destroyed, and six pilots perished. Among the fallen were all the Chutai commanders: Captain Ohmori, Captain Matsuzaki and Captain Hatano. This is not an accurate assessment of Ki-84s vs P-51s however as the Ki-84s were caught during take off and suffered from speed and altitude disadvantage.
Not sure if you are referring to an N1K1 floatplane or N1K1-J fighter. I know CAG CDR John J. Hyland leading CVG-10 off the USS Intrepid claimed a Rex on 19 March but another pilot in said it was an A6M2-N. He was flying an F4U-1D.was there any cases of n1k1 shooting down F4U's? or by A6M5
This is incorrect. These were not P-51Ds that fought the 47th's Ki-84s but F6F-5 Hellcats from VF-16 off the USS Randolph. Ten of these Hellcats engaged the Ki-84s, of which they claimed twelve destroyed and one George destroyed but obviously these numbers are wrong with overclaiming and there was no N1K.
I'm not sure if it's just an error in Japanese history or an attempt to provide an excuse for the Ki-84s but not all of them were just caught taking off and shot down with ease. At least seven were already airborne when the Hellcats arrived, three at 9,000 feet and four more climbing up below these. They were going to meet the Hellcats. The Hellcats at 10,000 feet did not have a significant altitude advantage nor a speed advantage as they later admitted. The fight was not a cakewalk, and there was even a crazy pursuit down a valley at low-level. Furthermore, three orbiting Hellcats that were waiting at the rendezvous were jumped by four Ki-84s that had numbers, altitude, and speed advantage yet they didn't shoot down any of the F6Fs and lost two of their own.
The point is, the fight was not Hellcats picking off Ki-84s during takeoff and there was amble opportunity for the Ki-84s to engage on equal terms. This is also not to disrespect the brave pilots of the 47th, who I have great respect for their gallantry in defending their homeland under less-than-ideal circumstances.
Off the top of my head, two of the F6F pilots that shot down Ki-84s on this date, Cleveland Null and John Bartol, served with VF-16 on the prior 1943-44 cruise on the USS Lexington and scored kills then as well. VF-16 was one of the most experienced F6F units and it had good pilots who were on-hand for the earliest F6F operations way back in 1943. They knew their airplanes well and were able to pass this knowledge and lessons to the new pilots for the second tour in 1945. Despite facing Ki-84s, they came out on top with their skills. I think it's a disservice that the 28 July 1945 victories are passed off (not just here but elsewhere) as being shot down on takeoff like it was easy.
| Crash Date YYMMDD | Aircraft Type | Bureau# | Squadron | From | Down | Area | Pilot | Pilot's Fate |
|---|
| 450728 | F6F-5N | 78564 | VF-16 | USS RANDOLPH (CV-15) | SHIKOKU | EMPIRE | LT D.K. OLSEN | S |