Me-262

[Anonymous]

I agree that more 190's would have been better, but you cannot say the 262 didnt play its part in the war. Also in the long run, if it wasnt for the 262 then I dont think a lot of the modern jets we have today would even exist.

Well, the move to Jet power was underway, I'm not sure the 262 was the big influence, but certainly German efforts were a big impetus. I think that FW 1111 (or whatever it was) really had more influence, as it was the influence for the Mig-15.

I am saying the 262 played its part in WWII. It hurt Germany! Any time a country takes its eyes off reality and devotes so much resources to wonder weapons that they cannot produce enough servicable weapons, it is making a blunder.

The Me-262 should have stayed in the experimental and testing stage another 2-3 years, while German industry developed the base technology to mass produce jet engines that worked. I figure each Me-262 airframe laid down represents at least two FW190 or three Bf109 aiframes that did not get built. Of the 2500 Me262 airframes laid down, 1500 or so were actually completed and about 300 actually saw combat service. This is not a wise utilization of scarce resources. Not only that, but engineering talent spent on the 262 could have been used to improve other German fighters and bombers.

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Lunatic

 

[cheddar cheese]

Actually youve got a pretty good point on this, I duly oblige to agree with you 8)

 

[Anonymous]

Actually youve got a pretty good point on this, I duly oblige to agree with you 8)

I just want you to consider it m8. The same can be said for most of the V weapons. The truth is that all the German V weapons did little for their chances in the war. Only had their nuclear bomb program bore fruit before that of the USA (and Germany was not even close to being able to make a true fission weapon) would have made a difference. It is speculated that Germany might have used dirty bombs carried by V2's, but I think if they had then Britain would have used nerve gas, and Europe would have been one big graveyard, and neither side would have won, but Germany would have suffered worse (there'd probably be no Germans left).

While Germany was building stupid weapons like the V2 rocket, the USA (with a big boost from early British radar research) developed and deployed the VT proximity fuse. Had the Germans had a comparable proximity fuse I think it would have made more difference than all the V weapons and King Tigers and Me262's put together - the Allied Bombing offensive would have been over in a couple of months.

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Lunatic

 

[cheddar cheese]

FW 1111

Dont you mean the Messerschmitt P.1101?

 

[Anonymous]

FW 1111

Dont you mean the Messerschmitt P.1101?

I got the numbers confused with the Me, been a long time since I looked at these hypothetical Luftwaffe' jets.

No I really meant the FW183:

http://www.luft46.com/fw/ta183-i.html
http://www.luft46.com/

Which to me looks an awful lot like the mig 15:

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Lunatic

 

[cheddar cheese]

So does the P.1101 8)

 

[the lancaster kicks ass]

no it doesn't...............

 

[cheddar cheese]

It does...

 

[the lancaster kicks ass]

doesn't..............

 

[cheddar cheese]

Does - that one doesnt have complet body panels.

 

[the lancaster kicks ass]

i'm fully aware of that, i realise the engine would be covered, but it still doesn't.............

 

[cheddar cheese]

Why doesnt it look like it.

 

[Anonymous]

Flight line is different. Tail is of traditional layout.

 

[cheddar cheese]

Both planes bear a resemblance though, thats clear.

 

[Amish Eskimo Ninja]

does anyone here know how many total kills 262's got. I need it for a history project. Tell me the source you got it from too please. It would be a huge help if anyone does.

 

[Anonymous]

does anyone here know how many total kills 262's got. I need it for a history project. Tell me the source you got it from too please. It would be a huge help if anyone does.

I don't think I've seen a figure like that. However, the following page shows all 262 Aces, and represents the lions share of 262 kills, searching through the site may yeild more info.

http://www.luftwaffe.cz/dusen.html

The Werk Number database entires might also yeild figures, and you might contact the archivists and ask them, they might know the total kills for the 262 (If anyone would, I'd think it'd be them):

http://www.stormbirds.com/werknummer/

Here are some more links to help you, I've not read every page of every site so maybe you will find the info if you are looking for it:

http://members.ozemail.com.au/~fiveds/ananian.html
http://www.worldhistory.com/wiki/M/Messerschmitt-Me-262.htm
http://www.fiddlersgreen.net/AC/aircraft/Messerschmitt-Me262/me262_info/m262_info.htm
http://www.nasm.si.edu/research/aero/aircraft/me262.htm
http://www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org/LRG/me262.html
http://www.cebudanderson.com/262.htm

Sorry I cannot find an exact figure for you.

Good luck,

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Lunatic

 

[Nonskimmer]

That's quite a selection. Thanks, Lunatic.

 

[Anonymous]

That's quite a selection. Thanks, Lunatic.

YW. I'd contact the author's of the first two links and ask them for the figures you want. Very good chance they know the answer w/o looking it up if this data is in fact known.

Unfortunately, more than half the 262 links I've saved over the years are now dead.




Lunatic

 

[Nonskimmer]

No I really meant the FW183:

http://www.luft46.com/fw/ta183-i.html
http://www.luft46.com/

Which to me looks an awful lot like the mig 15:

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Lunatic

That's right.
To my knowledge, none of the Ta 183 prototypes actually took to the air, until by the Soviets well after war's end.
It was only then that the design flaws of the airframe were discovered and rectified (lowering of the tailplanes, wing fences added, etc.), and the VK-1 engine of the Mig-15 was little more than a "Russianized" British Rolls-Royce.

 

[Anonymous]

That's right.
To my knowledge, none of the Ta 183 prototypes actually took to the air, until by the Soviets well after war's end.
It was only then that the design flaws of the airframe were discovered and rectified (lowering of the tailplanes, wing fences added, etc.), and the VK-1 engine of the Mig-15 was little more than a "Russianized" British Rolls-Royce.

The Mig-15 was seriously flawed anyway. It rolled poorly at speed and it could not break the bottom of the transonic mach region even in a dive.