Messerschmitt Bf.109 Performance Chronology

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    #1 CORSNING, Jun 7, 2014
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    I have attempted to put together a timeline of when each version of the Bf.109 entered service operationally. I am hoping that this would make comparisons to contemporary versions of other aircraft easier. I have put together ( with available references and to the limits of my ability ) Performance timelines of the Spitfire, Mustang and Hellcat. I am presently working on all the aircraft in America's Hundred Thousand, and the Fw-190.


    Version of A/C / Date fully operational / Combat unit / Engine + power + boost level

    Bf.109V-1:......First flight September 1935.......Rolls-Royce Kestrel: 695 PS/T.O. 640 PS/14,000 ft.

    Bf.109V4:.......January 1937....Legion Condor...Jumo 210A
    Bf.109V6:.......January 1937....Legion Condor..Jumo 210B: 600 PS/T.O. 600 PS/S.L./5 minutes. 640 PS/??

    Bf.109A:.........1937................Legion Condor...Jumo 210D, A/C No. 6-4 to 6-18

    Bf.109B-1:......July 6, 1937.....2./J 88............Jumo 210D: 680 PS/T.O. 640 PS/8,860 ft. 500 PS/14,765 ft./5 minutes 465 PS/19,686 ft.

    Bf.109C-1:.......July 1938.........3./J 88............Jumo 210G: 700 PS/T.O. 730 PS/3,280 ft. 675 PS/12,500 ft.

    Bf.109D-1:.......Aug. 1938........I./JG 130.........Jumo 210D

    Bf.109E-1:.......Feb. 1939.........J 88...............DB 601A: 1,100 PS/T.O., 1,150 PS/1,250 m. @ 1.40 ata/2,400 rpm/1 minute. 1,050 PS/1,600 m., 1,020 PS/4,500 m. @ 1.3 ata/2,400 rpm for 5 minutes. 960 PS/5,000 m./1.23 ata/2,400 rpm. 890 PS/5,700 m.

    11/14/40: 2,600 rpm over 5,500 m. was permitted and Bf 109E now had automatic airscrew pitch changing.

    7/25/41: 2,800 rpm possible with automatic rpm control.

    Bf.109E-1/B:....July 1940..........Erprobungsgruppe 210, 3. Staffel...DB 601A-1

    Bf.109E-2:.......August 1940.....II./JG 27.........DB 601A-1

    Bf.109E-3:.......Dec. 1939.........III./JG 77.......DB 601A

    Optional for Bf.109E: .....Date?......DB 601Aa: 1,175 PS ( 1,159 hp.)/T.O./2,500 rpm./1 minute, 1,100 PS/3,700 m./2,400 rpm/5 minutes., 1,050 PS/4,100 m./2,400 rpm/30 minutes., 880 PS/4,500 m./2,400 rpm.

    Bf.109E-4:.......Summer 1940

    Bf.109E-4/N:....-----------------------------..DB 601N @ 1.35 ata/2,600 rpm for 5 minutes C3 fuell: 1,175 PS/T.O., 1,255 PS/2,100 m., 1,175 PS/4,900 m.

    Bf.109E-5/trop...April 20, 1941...I./JG 27

    Bf.109E-6/N......----------------------------..DB 601N

    Bf.109E-7/Z (E-7/NZ): August 1940..-----........DB 601N first nitrous oxide (GM-1) boosted.

    Bf.109E-8:........Autumn 1940.....--------........DB 601A or Aa

    Bf.109E-9:........Autumn 1940....---------.......DB 601A or Aa

    Bf.109T-2:........June 1941........I./JG 77.........DB 601N

    Bf.109F-0:........March 1941......---------.......DB 601N: 1,175 PS/T.O.

    The DB 601N in the Bf 109F-1 -2 had a new supercharger that allowed 1.41 ata for 3 minutes: 1,250 PS/4,900 m.

    Bf.109F-1:........March 1941......JG 2..............DB 601N

    Bf.109F-2:........March 1941......JG 2..............DB 601N

    Bf.109F-3:........Dec. 1941........---------........DB 601E

    Bf.109F-4:........Dec. 1941........---------........DB 601E @ 1.3 ata: 1,200 PS/T.O., 1,280 PS/2,100-3,400 m., 1,050 PS/6,000 m./B4 87 octane fuel

    Bf.109F-34.....Jan. 1942..............................DB 601E @ 1.42 ata: 1,350 PS/T.O., 1,440 PS/2,100 m., 1,325 PS/4,800 m., 1.30 ata: 1,050 PS/6,000 m./B4 87 octane fuel.

    Bf.109F-4/Z:...............................................DB 601E

    Bf.109F-4/R1:....Under wing gondolas...............DB 601E

    Bf.109G-0:........The first completed in October 1941...DB 601E

    Bf.109G-1:........May 1942........11./JG 2.........DB 605A/B4: 2,800 rpm/1.42 ata: 1,475 PS/T.O. 1,355 PS/5,700 m., GM-1: 1,270 PS/27,890 ft.

    NOTE: Emergency power of 1.42 ata / 2,800 rpm on the DB 605A was banned in June 1942, July 1942, October 1942 then again in June 1943, October 1943 and at least once again in February 1944. DB 605A @ 1.3 ata and 2,600 rpm: 1,310 PS/S.L., 1,250 PS/5,800 m.

    Bf.109G-2:........April 1942........I./JG 2...........DB 605A-1

    Bf.109G-3:........April 1942........III./JG 26........DB 605A-1

    Bf.109G-4:........April 1942

    Bf.109G-5:........Autumn 1943........---------...DB 605A / GM-1

    Bf.109G-5/AS:...------------........----------...DB 605AS/2,800 rpm/1.42 ata/B4: 1,435 PS/T.O./5 minutes., 1,200 PS/8,000 m.

    Bf.109G-6:........Spring 1943........---------....DB 605A: 1,475 PS/T.O. 1,355 PS/18,700 ft. GM-1: 1,250 PS/28,900 ft.

    Bf.109G-6/U2:.......Spring 1944.....----------...DB 605A / GM-1: 1,475 PS/T.O. (1,600 PS/19,685 ft. ?). Later changing from GM-1 to MW-50 using compressed air bottles to supercharger.

    Bf.109G-6/AS:.......Spring 1944....----------...DB 605AS: 1,425 PS/T.O.

    Bf.109G-6:............May/June 1944....------...DB 605AM / MW50: 1,800 PS/T.O. 1,700 PS/18,700 ft.

    Bf.109G-6/U4 (G-10/-14):...........................................DB 605A: 1 x 30mm MK-108

    Bf.109G-8:.......Dec. 1943......----------........DB 605A

    Bf.109G-10:.....Sep. 1944.....-----------........DB 605DM, DB 605DC or DB 605DB/DC

    Bf.109G-14:.....Summer 1944.---------..........DB 605AM /MW-50 or DB 605AS, Galland hood.

    Bf.109K-0:......Sep. 1944...Converted from Gustav airframes in early autumn 1944... DB605D/GM-1

    Bf.109K-4:.......September 1944...--------.....DB 605DC: 2,000 PS/T.O.. 1,800 PS/16,730 ft.

    Bf.109K-4.........Late WW2......DB 605ASCM: 2,000 PS/T.O. 2,030 PS/1,640 ft. 1,800 PS/16,400 ft.

    Bf.109K-4:.......Late WW2......DB 605ASB/DB

    Bf.109K-6:.......January 1945.......................DB 605D

    Bf.109K-14:.....Late Spring 1945...II./JG 52, Two aircraft under Major Wilhelm Blatz...DB 605L

    Other engine performances:

    DB 605ASM: C3 or B4 / MW 50: 2800 rpm/1.7 ata: 1,800 PS/T.O., 1,500 PS/6,400 m., and 1,150 PS/7,800 m./2,600 rpm. (June 1944.)

    DB 605DB: B4 / MW 50 /2,800 rpm/1.8 ata: 1,850 PS/T.O., 1,600 PS/6,000 m. (a lot of burned thru pistons)

    DB 605DB (after corrections @ 2,800 rpm): 1,800 PS/1.8 ata/T.O., 1,530 PS/1.98 ata/4,900 m.

    DB 605DC: C3 / MW 50 / 2,800 rpm/1.98 ata: 2,000 PS/S.L., 1,800 PS/4,900 m., and 1,550 PS./6,000 m./1.8 ata. (Dec. 1944)

    DB 605DC: C3 / 2,800 rpm/1.8 ata: 1,800 PS/S.L., 1,550 PS/6,000 m., and 950 PS/10,000 m./2,800 rpm.

    DB 605L: CE 96 octane + MW-50 / 2,800 rpm: 1,700 PS/T.O. 1,725 PS/4,900 ft. 1,350 PS/31,400 ft.

    References:
    Radinger Schick: Messerschmitt Bf 109: The World's Most Produced Fighter From Bf 109 A to E
    William Green: Warplanes of the Third Reich
    Bill Gunston: Combat Aircraft of World War II
    Combat Aircraft: A Technical directory of Major Warplanes from World War I to Present
    John R. Beaman: Messerschmitt Bf.109 in Action Pt.2
    Jochen Prien and Peter Rodeike: Messerschmitt Bf 109F, G, and K Series: An Illustrated Study
    Thomas Hitchcock: Messerschmitt 'O-Nine' Gallery

    That does not include all the sub-variants.

    Thank you all in advance, Jeff.
     
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    Looking forward to see your work, Jeff :)

    The deliveries of the Bf 109F-4 to service units begun in June 1941 (1st loss on July 1st 1941), the F-3 was delivered a tad earlier. The 1st G-6 with Db-605AS engine (=Bf-109G-6/AS) was delivered to the units in 'late spring of 1944). The 1st 'plain vanilla' G-6s were delivered as early as February 1943 in MTO, 1st loss on March 4th 1943, engine DB-605A. The 1st DB-605D engines became available in late 1944?
     
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    #3 CORSNING, Jun 7, 2014
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    Tomo,
    Great to here from you. Your post reminded me to put references in my first post. What is (are) your references for the information in your post? Does your reference(s) list the service units that became operational first with each of those models?

    I know that I listed delivery dates of some of the versions, but I am ultimately trying to list the date that they first became fully operational and ready for combat. I would also like to be able to list the engine and boost/horse power used along with any dates that the boost was changed.



    Thank you for the information, Jeff
     
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    I've browsed through the book about the Bf-109 F, G and K variants, by Prien and Rodeike - sorry for not stating it in the above post. The book also lists the units that used the sub-types, but often those dates are not stated.
     
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    I have read that the first fighter bomber was the E-7 with earlier aircraft (E-4) being retro fitted.

    Some Jumo 210 engines fitted to the pre "E" versions were fitted with fuel injection.
     
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    #6 Koopernic, Jun 8, 2014
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    I applaud you for doing something sadly overly neglected in "history" which is to introduce dates. Without dates most facts are factoids. I blame literary and social critics who have found it convenient to ignore such matters in schooling and diluted a sense of this.

    I will try and help latter but might I add the following advice and criticism.

    Several critical sub types have been missed.

    1 The Me 109E4/N and Me 109E7/N which had the DB601N engine. They were only build in small numbers as a stop gap while the Me 109F-0 was debugged into the Me 109F-1 but came at the end of the BoB and had little impact.
    2 The introduction of the types should try and note which engines were fitted. In some cases a type may have had several engines and if possible the key dates the engine was released for certain boost levels.
    3 Types before the Bf 109E had the Jumo 210 engine.
    4 A few E1/B could carry a bomb.

    Key sub types missing are as follows:
    Me 109G5AS and Me 109G6AS which had the DB601AS engine with a larger supercharger that increased the full throttle height. (the G5 had cabin pressurization)

    Me 109G6AM which had the DB601AM engine with water methanol injection (MW30 or MW50). This increase power from 1420 to 1700+

    Me 109G6AM which had the DB601ASM engine with water methanol injection (MW30 or MW50). This increase power from 1420 to 1800.

    Rodeike and Prien's book on the Me 109F/G/K is invaluable as a resource due to its listing of all subtypes, variants and serial numbers.
    All the above were flying their first missions in March/April 1944. The authors usually note first combat losses, a sure sign the aircraft is in full use.

    The above were standardized as the Me 109G14A and Me 109G14AS (always with MW50) from June 1944, the normal evidence being an enlarged oil cooler.

    Me 109G10's always had the DB605DM, DCM DB/DC engine which is essentially similar to the ASM versions but purpose built rather than modified.

    ME 109K4 had the same engines, they can be told apart by their extended retractable tail, which was re-introduced. The K4 actually entered service a month before the G10 in October rather than November 1945.

    The Me 109K14 had the DB605L engine which had a two stage supercharger and a much higher critical altitude. The two that were delivered may or may not have had the 4 bladed props. One would also note an enlarged ovoid air intake to allow for the higher flows of air at high altitude.

    G10 usually had the extended tail yoke that ameliorated the ground looping problem but this was often fitted to G14 and G6 as well.

    Mention should also be made of the introduction ERLA hood which improved visibility as well as the Galland hood which in conjunction with the ERLA hood replaced the pilots head armour with a wall of bullet proof glass to improve the Me 109's poor rearward visibility.

    The enlarged, taller tail tail was also fitted with a balance tab rather than a horn balance which greatly increased dive mach.
     
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    According to Michulec and Prien Rodeike the first 109Fs entered service in October 1940 with I./JG 51; Major Werner Mölders was one of the first recipients, flying an F-1 Stammkennzeichen SG + GW; the first F-1 that went MIA was WNr. 5635 (Oblt George Claus) 11 November 1940.

    According to Prien Rodeike no K-2s or K-14s entered service and it is likely there was only ever one K-6 tested at Rechlin: according to the JaPo book on the 109K, it was alleged that two 109K-14s were used in II./JG 52 by Major Wilhelm Blatz, yet Blatz himself did not remember Ks with four bladed propellers in his unit.
     
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    Since corrections are being posted shouldn't that be Galland armor, not Galland hood.
     
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    Shortround6, Koopernic and Aozora,

    Thank you all for your input. I greatly appreciate the help.

    I would once again like to let everyone know that I am attempting to put together a time line of when each varient of Bf.109 became operational. I will be listing: 1. each version and sub-type to the best of my ability. 2. when each version became fully operational (not necessarily first combat). 3. combat unit of the first operational aircraft if possible. 4. the engine/engine maximum output/boost level used.

    And probably the most important part, the reference used. The wrong references would make this list a joke. For instance, I did look over Wikipedia. I just couldn't use a source that listed the Bf.109A-0 as being one of the first to enter combat in Spain.

    I am presently looking over all your input plus my present sources and trying to put engines to each version.

    Thanks again, Jeff.
     
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    Radinger Schick's "Messerschmitt Bf 109 A-E" may be of help to you. I am not a 109 expert but the book seems well researched (or at least will sometimes give different numbers for the same "item" and say that the different numbers are from different sources.)

    Some of the early records seem to be incomplete or contradictory, did 22 "A" models go to Spain or only 20? The V3 did wind up in Spain as did work #809

    The book claims there were no "official" B-2 models or anything other than C-1 models (only 58 C's built), the C-3 being a paper exercise with no mention of the C-2?

    Things get confused because (apparently) as the planes "aged" the Jumo powered planes were modified in the field. Planes built with fixed pitch props were fitted with variable pitch props and planes fitted with 3 guns from the factory lost the engine mount (prop) gun in service due to it's unreliability. A few other parts may have been swapped.

    Not all "D"s have exactly the same appearance with perhaps 3 different exhaust set ups among other differences but no change in designation. The book does have some good power and performance numbers for the early models though.
     
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    Thank you Shortround. I am not even close to a Bf.109 expert either and I am not going to try to be. I have been researching all morning and have the list (on paper) revised up to the F-0 model. (This is taking a lot of work). I am begining to see that this could get expensive. I will update/cleanup my post #1 as soon as I am able.

    Thanks guys, Jeff
     
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    Make the Bf 109B-1 the Bf 109A and the B-2s just Bs to be correct. Never heard of Bf 109B produced with Jumo 210G but the early 109s are not really well documented.
    The Jumo 210B had 640 PS, not 600hp. All your other hp ratings should be PS. Jumo 210Da/Ga should be just D/G.
    Bf 109D reverted to non-fuel-injected Jumo 210D (G had fuel injection).
    Designation F-4/B did not exist, every 109 from the E-7 was able to carry bombs. /B only used for converted E-1/-3/-4 JaBos.
    G-6 spring 43 with standard DB 605A engine, both G-10 and K-4 had small deliveries in September 44
    No K-2 built, G-16 sounds strange as well.
     
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    OK, the first preliminary update is done. As Denniss pointed out, PS and hp. ratings still have to be determined. I may have made some mistakes. It was a bit tedious doing an entire edit.

    Thank you for your input Denniss. I'll check on your information as time permits. What was the reference(s) you used for the basis of your information in post #12?

    Goodnight all, Jeff.
     
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    Carefull with power ratings, apart from the issue of the use of metric horsepower in European engines the power output of an engine can be given in many ways. An engine whose peak power is say 1000hp at sea level may produce 1100hp at 2000ft (due to reduced exhaust back pressure). Then there is the problem of the different ratings
    takeoff power
    continuous power or climb power or military power
    WEP (war emergency power), in German parlance this was called Noteleistung (Emergency Power) but often there were improved versions such as Sonder Noteleisung (Special Emergency Power) eg if MW50 was used.
     
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    The book I referred to in post #10 gives the power of the Jumo 210 D as follows;


    Height...............short term.................raised contin.................continuous ouput
    ..........................2700rpm....................2600rpm..........................2510rpm

    KM.........................HP...........................HP..................................HP

    0..........................680...........................610..............................545
    2.7.......................640...........................575..............................510
    4.5.......................500...........................450..............................400
    6.0.......................406...........................465..............................325

    Book says HP and not PS but I don't know.

    109Ds used Jumo 210 engines.

    Main difference on early models seems to be A's had Jumo 210D and two MG 17 machine guns, B's had Jumo 210D and three MG 17 machine guns (one through prop) and while some early Bs had the third gun retro fitted after completion, many B's had the third gun taken out. The C model (58 built) used the fuel injected Jumo 210G and the D model reverted back to the Jumo 210D, both had two MG 17s in the cowl (with much more ammo) and a single MG 17 in each wing.
     
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    #16 Denniss, Jun 8, 2014
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    Many english language books transformed PS into hp without actually converting the values.
    680PS is correct for Jumo 210D with take-off power at sea level, max power is ~690PS at ~800m according to engine power graph.
    My first post was wrong regarding the Jumo 210B, it indeed had 600PS for take-off and this raised to the often claimed/stated 640PS at ~2.7 km.

    There was no DB 601E in any Bf 109E except the machines used for F-series development, this is a common myth that has never been proven. The E-9 was probably intended to become an E-7/N based recon but was not built (maybe as conversion). The E-8 was an E-7 with 4-MG as armament. Recent authors claim this was intend as JaBo for strafing attacks. 60 built
    The Bf 109 E-series either had the DB 601A, AA or N engine, N-variants were denoted with a /N designation. Take-off power for 601A was 1100PS, 601Aa had 1175PS. But to my knowledge this special high-power mode was not available in the Bf 109 as it was just intended for high-load take-off of bombers. Thus power available was 990/1050 PS. The 601Aa was in limited use in the 109, most likely they went to /B JaBos where the additional power was put to good use.

    No Bf 109G-6 ever had a DB 605D engine, GM-1 birds were G-6/U2 with standard DB 605A.
    G-6 with DB 605AS were G-6/AS, take-off power was 1435 PS - more PS required to drive the larger supercharger.
    G-6 with MW-50 were usually converted /U2, early production may have been under G-6/MW designation (later renamed G-14)
    Again Bf 109D with DB 600 is a common myth driven by propaganda images.
    AFAIR the E-3 also had a JaBo /B version just like the E-4 as /B and /BN
    the DB 601N had 1175PS take-off power but this was never available in the 109E, just the 109F with a modified 601N had this rating in 1941 (although some claim it was never unblocked)
    The G-10 was delivered to units in October 44 for sure, some may have got soem a/c in 9/44.
    The K-4 was delivered to units in 9/44 although in limited quantities.
    DB 605DCM is a wrong designation for the DB 605DC - the M was not used for engines that were designed around MW-50, standard for G-10 was DM for a short time and changed to DB as soon as it became available, same with K4 and DM -> DC
    The 605DB had 1850PS for take-off, later reduced to 1800PS, it required standard B4 fuel and not the 100 Oktan C3-fuel.
    F-2/Z was cancelled or just converted from F-2, the F-4 proved to be better suited for this job and saw high production as F-4/Z. The F-4/R1 was an interesting variant as it was the first version able to take underwing armament (MG 151 gondolas), an option to become standard in the 109G.
    The K-6 did not have underwing gondolas, the MK 108s were to be mounted inside the wing. One prototype known.

    EDIT: the V5 has never been in Spain. V4 was marked 6-1 in Spain, V3 as 6-2. The V4 was sent back to Germany and V3 inherited the 6-1. V6 changed from 6-3 to 6-2, A-series 109 were marked 6-3 to 6-18 in spain, at least one fell into republican hands after landing behind the frontlines due to exhausted fuel.
    Bf 109 C-2 did not exist, was planned with MG FF engine cannon but this did not work (just like D-2/E-2)
    Bf 109 E-6/N is missing, recon based on E-4/N
     
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    #17 CORSNING, Jun 9, 2014
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    Denniss,
    I completely agree with your statement about PS being published by many as hp. As time permits I plan to change/calculate all the PS figures to hp once I have been able to determine which are which. My original reason for this post was to get a listing of the dates each version of Bf.109 became operational. Second reason to determine the unit, if possible, each version entered combat with. Third reason to determine what engine was powering that version. I am not writing a book but I would like to put together a quick date reference that is accurate as possible.

    The following reference says the Bf.109A was in fact a version that entered the conflict in Spain:
    The Bf 109 in Spain

    Thank you for the correction on the Bf.109K-6 guns (No gondolas).
    Messerschmitt Bf 109 K-6 by Mark Shanks (Hasegawa 1/32)

    As far as the Bf.109B-1 and B-2 just being Bf.109Bs, all the (limited) information I can come up with so far as distinguished the two. Apparently the Russians thought so also:
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    What is your sources for information so I can add it to the references?

    Thanks, Jeff

    PS: I made some of the corrections but ran out of time. Will fix as time permits.
     
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    I have updated all changes applicable to Post #1. I have added all the references used that I am aware of.

    Concerning the Bf.109K-4, what engines were actually used? I have been able to locate performance charts/graphs on the K-4 with DB 605DB /ASB, DB 650D w/MW 50, DB 605DC/ASC and DB 605DB/ASB w/MW 50.

    If anyone has any corrections or more information to add, please do so.

    I thank everyone for there valuable input, Jeff.
     
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    #19 kettbo, Jun 10, 2014
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    Greetings CORSNING!
    I really appreciate all you efforts to date! I am not a SERIOUS RESEARCHER but a very interested student on the GUSTAV.

    some minor "fill-in" info
    Prien pg 108 lists Bf109G-6/U3 as MW-equipped. Easy to convert between /U3 MW and /U2 with GM-1, Spring '44 is correct.
    Interesting that in JG26 '43-'45 Diary by Jerry Caldwell that I do not show any losses with /U2 or /U3 suffix for the III./JG26. By 09/44 the reported losses of Bf109G-6 and Bf109G-6/U4 (mk 108 motor cannon) taper off and Bf109G-14s appear as losses starting Oct '44. I would think III./JG26 would have had 'upgraded' planes, more research required.

    Prien lists production of the Bf109G-5 from May '43-Aug'44, pg 134. He shows them entering service Reich Defense Autumn '43. First loss 21 Sept '43.


    Later canopy is ERLA Haube end of 1943 (Caldwell, pg 105) and clear pilot rear armor is Galland armor late summer '43. Tall tail is early 1944.
     
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    Thank you kettbo for the information and the appreciation.

    I am counting heavily on you students and scholars of the Bf 109 to fill in the gaps and make the list something of value for all.

    You all have been great and every bit of information is valuable.

    Thank you, Jeff.
     
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