MG 151/20 shell colors

[Denniss]

According to the german ammo manual available here a black projectile should be AP, black with upper yellow band should be APHE, both without self-destructive fuse.
An upper green band should be a marking for self destructive fuse.

The upper of the two-set pics looks to be a 20x80 MG FF piece, yellow color = HE. The other marking looks like either like green or blue, a green band would be self destructive fuse but the position should be just below the ammo cap and not so much down below. A blue band would indicate an incendiary component, maybe this is a HE-I shell

The lower of the two looks like a 20x82 MG 151 incendiary with glow-tracer and self destructive fuse. Blue = incendiary, upper green band = self desructive fuse, lower dark red band = Glow-tracer, probably from an aircraft to operate at night (light red would be tracer).

 

[stardude89]

hi its me again

i bought this round and i know its an AP round but i am not sure what the blue band denotes. can anyone tell me?

 

[Tony Williams]

It means it has an incendiary filling - it's an API.

If it has the letters "Ph" then the filling is phosphorus, if its "E" then it's Electron.

Tony Williams: Military gun and ammunition website and discussion forum

 

[stardude89]

hi, i cannot see "Ph" or "E" anywhere on it. the markings on the head read "wg32 d42 115g"

 

[CharlesBronson]

Is only API then.

hi i have recently come into these 20mm shells and was unable to identify their type from the markings, would some1 please help?

Just to ad that the upper cartrigde is an 20x80mm Rb for the Ikaria MG-FF cannon and the lower is for the Mauser Mg-151/20. (20x82mm)

 

[stardude89]

what does the RB stand for?

 

[Tony Williams]

what does the RB stand for?

Rebated rim - i.e., the rim is a much smaller diameter than the body of the case. This is needed for API blowbacks such such as the Oerlikon guns and the MK 108.

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[stardude89]

hi me again i found another round tucked away and yet again i am not sure what it is, apart from AP can anybody tell me?

its the same as this but the band is white

 

[Tony Williams]

The only coloured bands on German 20mm AP projectiles which are shown in my source are:

Near the tip:
- yellow = HE
- blue = incendiary
- yellow over green = HE self-destruct

The addition of a red band around the base of any of the above indicates a tracer (the dim tracer has a slightly darker and wider band).

The colours may of course fade over time.

No band means just a plain AP

Tony Williams: Military gun and ammunition website and discussion forum

 

[cucu]

Hi there! I came across your discussion about the Mg-151/20 ammo, can anyone estimate how much these original cartridges cost and also the original Mg-151 machine gun. Does anyone know if they are available to purchase anywhere? Thanks in advance!

 

[Junkers88A1]

there sure is a few varations..here is just a couple of them..some Mg 151 bullets..some Mg FF and some flak 38

 

[Junkers88A1]

a few more. these colour pics of the different types have been posted on another thread in here. just thought they would go well in here on this thread

 

[undu562]

Nice pics of the ammo, working on a belt me too missing the yellow ones, and the limks then its good for the xmas tree!!

best U

 

[Frantish]

Excellent thread. Would like to get a MG-131 round, not easy to find.

 

[fshort]

Hi all:

Here is my compilation drawing of a 20 mm HE/incendiary w/ night tracer & self destruct fuse.

Regards,
James

 

[harrison987]

to add to my text I want to make it clear that I have several 20mm's not 30mm's as Les has shown. my pic is 20mm on link with brasss casings the rounds are actually just applied to the cases as the rounds would be snug fit up to the swell mark.

here is a pic of armor destroying 20mm hard point that I was referring to earlier used by Ju 87D's

The Ju87 never had the MG151/20 installed. These are probably postwar French.

 

[tomo pauk]

The Ju87 never had the MG151/20 installed. These are probably postwar French.

How should we call the guns' armament of these Ju 87s:
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[Wurger]

How should we call the guns' armament of these Ju 87s:
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picture4

And one more shot .. it is the same Ju-87D-5 (or ? G-2) seen in the image no.3

the pic source:

View: https://www.reddit.com/r/Warthunder/comments/m6z4nk/junkers_ju_87_with_both_20mm_mg15120_cannons_and/#lightbox

and here a couple more showing the Ju-87D-5 armed with the guns ... pics taken during the war ...

the source: Junkers Ju 87 Stuka Dive Bomber — Nazi Terror Weapon - The Armory Life

the pic source: the net.

 

[GrauGeist]

The Ju87 never had the MG151/20 installed. These are probably postwar French.

Starting with the late D-4 series, the Ju87's wing mounted 7.92mm MG17 MGs were replaced by the 20mm MG151/20 cannon.