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Putting it bluntly, they were VERY dumb.
Absolutely. But folks like him were far removed from those who had to do "the dirty work," and there were many left overs from WW2 (both civilian and military) who were clueless.There was more than enough dumb to go around. If you're going to blame the civilian leaders, you also have to include a few in uniform, or recently out, like Maxwell Taylor.
A question everyone should have been asking, but weren't, is "what is the root cause for this war that's been fought for decades?" Communism wasn't all of it.
The question that split America right down the middle (a condition that still exists today) largely along generational and political lines. The question that started the decay of civil discourse resulting in the hostile armed camps that define our social and political landscape today.Was Vietnam worth America fighting for?
If the final bill as of 1975 had been presented to Mr John ("Quemoy, Matsu, and the Pescadores Islands are not worth the bones of one American soldier!") F Kennedy as a choice in 1962 when the first steps down the slippery slope were taken, do you think we'd be asking these questions today? If JFK hadn't stepped on a land mine called Bay of Pigs, and if Oswald's Carcano had been a little less accurate, we'd have had a president who came of age in combat and understood the conduct and cost of war, instead of a back room wheeler dealer political animal with delusions of grandeur.A question that's not being asked is was the cost in treasure, life, and national reputation worth incinerating Hanoi. France, even with US aid, didn't think Vietnam worth keeping.
A goal that could only (maybe) be achieved with a unified, honest, dedicated, patriotic RVN, with at least as much determination to remain independent as the northerners had to reunify, and the unfailing logistical support of the "free" world. Now given the actual South Vietnam that existed, how likely does that seem? The view from Khe Sanh and from Washington were from different galaxies.the military goal was NOT to win (in the WWII sense) the war but to convince the enemy that he could not win.
A goal that could only (maybe) be achieved with a unified, honest, dedicated, patriotic RVN, with at least as much determination to remain independent as the northerners had to reunify, and the unfailing logistical support of the "free" world. Now given the actual South Vietnam that existed, how likely does that seem? The view from Khe Sanh and from Washington were from different galaxies.
A goal that could only (maybe) be achieved with a unified, honest, dedicated, patriotic RVN
Actually, much longer time than was given by the attention span of American support.But ##1 and 3 required much longer time than was given by real history.
Actually, much longer time than was given by the attention span of American support.
Local boards were autonomous and essentially accountable to no one. Appeals went before the same men who made the initial decision to begin with so an appeal was for all intents and purposes no appeal.real unfairnesses of the Selective Service System and its local boards certainly didn't help.
The accepted wisdom I had heard at the time was that if you enlisted in the Army, you would not go to Vietnam unless you volunteered. If you drafted, you would go.
The other accepted wisdom was that you couldn't get into the National Guard without a lot of pull.
I remember hearing about that, it affected F-105 operations, and also resulted in shortages that affected the USN as well (this actually lead to the USS Forrestal disaster).I saw Rolling Thunder from the unromantic side.
The part that if it even gets mentioned in a book will say there were supply problems, or supply shortages, usually they never get into it deeper than that.
Because they figured they'd never fight a large scale conventional war ever again, they never produced enough bombs for such an event.In Thailand, at NKP when Sattahip got improved and the B-52 airbase nearby got really going they caused a shortage for every other airbase in the area.
Strangely it wasn't 750 lbs bombs we ran out of but the fins for them that held us back. . . . From my perspective as a low ranking USAF enlisted man, IMO, Rolling Thunder probably could not have continued full force, it needed the on and off effort to allow the munition makers and the supply system the chance to catch up