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It must be Nick Clegg, everything is clear.This jerk-off is from Sheffield - can some of our friends in the UK pay a visit to this moron and give him a sulfuric acid enema?!?
Waste of good acidThis jerk-off is from Sheffield - can some of our friends in the UK pay a visit to this moron and give him a sulfuric acid enema?!?
Leaving aside the P-38's design defects, some of which made it nearly unusable for the 8th Air Force's escort needs, its performance was, overall, not superior to the P-51 and it had roughly twice the maintenance and supply needs.
I'll grant that the P-38 had more than its share of problems in 1943. The fuel wasn't quite right
for it and poor cabin heating...etc. I think I would have a problem maneuvering a twin aircraft
with ice cycles on my twinkies. The P-51 was the obvious choice from a cost stand point. I
personally would opt for a P-47 for the protection it gave its pilot. When the P-38J-25 came
into operational service in June 1944 the Mustang from an operational standpoint had no overall
advantages other than cost. Purchase cost, maintenance cost, pilot training cost...etc.
From a performance stand point they were pretty even, give and taking all down the line.
Starting in June 1944 from a qualified pilots standpoint there was little to chose between
the two in Europe. However, the die had been cast and the decision made by that time.[/QUOTE]
well, even the books that i read which state that the Mustang was the best say that the P-38 was unfairly overshadowed, from reading the other posts it says that more P-51s were lost in training accidents than P-38s, P-38s were also (i think) in service way before the P-51
the P-51 was used in the Pacific, my grandfather told me numerous stories of P-51s strading nearby airfields in the Philippines, and has also seen a long dogfight between a P-51 and a Zero, and guess what, the Mustang came home, with Damage while the Zero escaped
If the Mustang DOES win so easily, why bother putting up a poll here?
and btw, P-38s werent inferior to German planes
Dave, d_bader hasn't posted here for 9 years.d_bader remarks the P-38 was inferior to German planes and I think a lot of experts would disagree. While it was probably inferior to the P-51 as a pure dog fighter it was superior in many ways to the best American and German planes. If memory serves me correctly Richard Bong was one of the highest ranking AmericanAces of WWII and he flew P-38s almost exclusively. Most of our enemies feared the plane and had several nick names for it such as "two planes, one pilot", "fork tailed devil" and others. It had about the same top speed as the P-51 and by the end of the war when fitted with drop tanks had a 2500 mile range. It was less vulnerable to ground fire than the P-51 and a very forgiving plane to fly. Many consider the FW 190 the best German fighter it had slower top speed, slower acceleration, larger turning radius, much slower climb rates etc etc than the P-38 so the hard numbers factually are in favor of the P-38..
Ignoring of course the historical facts.
1 Americans flew Spitfires on occasions.
2 Goering would have flown a Bf109 but he was too freakin' fat.
3 Since even today a pilot is worth more than the aircraft he flies two P51s are not cheaper than one P38, unless the sole object is to count them up parked on the ground.
LOL swampy, my post was to a guy who actually got banned before I hit "post reply"1: Yes; ask Bob Hoover
2: So what? Did Hap Arnold ever fly combat in WW2? Both had other responsibilities that most service pilots could not perform.
3: Well, you'll still need the same number of pilots to do the same tasks.
d_bader remarks the P-38 was inferior to German planes and I think a lot of experts would disagree. While it was probably inferior to the P-51 as a pure dog fighter it was superior in many ways to the best American and German planes. If memory serves me correctly Richard Bong was one of the highest ranking AmericanAces of WWII and he flew P-38s almost exclusively. Most of our enemies feared the plane and had several nick names for it such as "two planes, one pilot", "fork tailed devil" and others. It had about the same top speed as the P-51 and by the end of the war when fitted with drop tanks had a 2500 mile range. It was less vulnerable to ground fire than the P-51 and a very forgiving plane to fly. Many consider the FW 190 the best German fighter it had slower top speed, slower acceleration, larger turning radius, much slower climb rates etc etc than the P-38 so the hard numbers factually are in favor of the P-38..
I believe the "two planes one pilot" is supposed to have come from the far east, such things can easily happen translating from one language to another. We all know what a bi-plane is, but it isn't two planes. Two planes, one pilot is no more or less valid than "single seater, twin boom". Often in Chinese and Japanese they use a single character to represent many concepts.I am not an anti-Lightning person, but the fork tailed devil nickname is a propoganda myth. The Germans never actually nicknamed it that.
I believe the "two planes one pilot" is supposed to have come from the far east, such things can easily happen translating from one language to another. We all know what a bi-plane is, but it isn't two planes. Two planes, one pilot is no more or less valid than "single seater, twin boom". Often in Chinese and Japanese they use a single character to represent many concepts.
Adler, if a plane has wings because it flies like a bird, and has a tail because it flies like bird why does it have a nose and not a beak?That I can believe, but the fork tailed devil has been debunked.