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Both the Bristol Beaufighter (used by four USAAF night-fighter squadrons) and de Havilland Mosquito (used by one) were used by ETO/MTO USAAF night-fighter squadrons, and in at least one instance for each aircraft, were not replaced with P-61s until the European war was over. The Mosquito was used by the 416th NFS until June 1945, and the 417th NFS flew the Beaufighter until the end of hostilities.plan_D said:The USAAF Night-Fighter units with Mosquitos and Beaufighters - WHAT!?!
redcoat said:The B-17 was a great bomber, and so was the Lanc,( I don't want to take sides in this issuethe lancaster kicks ass said:and as a night bomber the B-17 wouldn't be much good, the americans just didn't have the tactics or proper escorts..............)
There was a unit of the 8th AF in NW Europe which did a number of night raids ( sorry, but I don't have the book which states this at the moment, so I can't give you the unit)
If the B-17 had been used as a night bomber on a large scale , I've no doubt they would have copied RAF tactics ( it is allowed, they were allies after all) , and as for escorts they would have used the fighters the USAAF night-fighter units already used in Europe, the Beaufighter, Mosquito, and when it was ready, the Black Widow P-61.
One advantage of the B-17 being used at night would be an increased bomb-load, thanks to the fact they wouldn't have to carry the vast amount of ammo the day bombers did. (over 5,000 rounds of .50 ammo weighs a amazing amount )
cheddar cheese said:Due to the fact the B-17 was a day bomber and the Lancaster a night bomber I find it hard to justifiably compare the 2. Howver I feel that if the 2 planes were used in the same situation (day or night) the B-17 would always come out on top.
plan_D said:You wouldn't take out the waist armour, or the B-17 could be split in half.
the lancaster kicks ass said:and the B-17 wouldn't have been able to adopt RAF tactics, the B-17 was so unsuited to our tactics, not to mention that even your precious norden would loose allot of accuracy as navigation would have become more difficult, whereas we had some navigaional aids, although they still weren't brilliant, chances are they americans would still try and use their day tactics, including a long form up time, reducing the payload from what you estimate, even if it did carry more than it did by day it'd be slower, and the NFs would still be able to bring them down..............
This is about the Mosquito in US service, its from this web-siteRG_Lunatic said:I'd guess that USAAF Mossies were photo-recon planes. ????
General Henry "Hap" Arnold, commander of the United States Army Air Forces (USAAF), witnessed a demonstration of the Mosquito on 20 April 1941 as a guest of Lord Beaverbrook. Geoffrey de Havilland JR was in prime form that day, screaming the machine low over the ground and performing sharp maneuvers with one engine feathered. Arnold was extremely impressed, and returned to the US with engineering drawings of the machine.
There matters more or less stood with the Yanks until late 1942, when a B.IV Mosquito was given to Colonel Elliot Roosevelt, the American President's son and commander of a USAAF reconnaissance squadron in North Africa, equipped with Lockheed F-4 Lightning reconnaissance aircraft. The B.IV was faster and had much longer range than the Lockheeds, and Elliot Roosevelt began to press for adopting the British machine.
In the meantime, Mosquitos were finally beginning to roll off the production lines at de Havilland Canada in the Toronto area, and in December 1942 Geoffrey de Havilland JR brought one of the first Canadian Mosquitos down to Washington DC. Hap Arnold ordered that airport traffic be held off for a half hour to allow de Havilland to put on an aerial demonstration over the city. Geoffrey De Havilland then left for California to perform more demonstrations. He went by train in order to see the country, and the Mosquito went separately. In Los Angeles he met with his cousin, actress Olivia de Havilland.
Hap Arnold now became very determined to get his hands on the Mossie, beginning with a offer to swap P-51 Mustangs for Mosquitos. The British turned him down. The Mosquito was increasingly seen as difficult to replace. Had Canada been producing Mosquitos in volume at the time, the Americans might have been able to get their hands on part of the production, but the Canadians were slow to ramp up, with only 90 Mosquitos built there in 1943. At least Arnold's persistent lobbying to get Mosquitos helped convince Bomber Command that they had something of value.
The Americans did manage to get their hands on a relatively small batch of Canadian aircraft. The US signed an agreement with the British government in October 1943 for 120 Canadian-built Mosquito bombers, but limited production meant that the US only got 5 B.VIIs and 35 B.XXs. They were converted to a reconnaissance configuration with US-built cameras, redesignated "F.8", and sent to the UK for service with the USAAF Eighth Air Force.
The F.8's camera suite was minimal and the single-stage Merlins really didn't provide the performance the USAAF wanted, and so the F.8s were eventually replaced by PR.XVIs. The Americans obtained over a hundred PR.XVIs, along with a handful of T.IIIs for conversion or continuance training.
American pilots converting from their Lockheed F-4 and F-5 Lightnings, which had "handed" propellers, had to be trained to deal with the Mosquito's tendency to roll against the rotation of its propellers on takeoff. There was a worse problem in that over-anxious fighter pilots tended to mistake Mosquitos for Messerschmitt Me-410s, which in fact did have a similar configuration, and so the USAAF gave their PR.XVIs red-painted tails as a recognition aid.
The majority of the Yank PR.XVIs were used in their intended photoreconnaissance role, but a good number of them were used for weather reconnaissance, and they were also modified for special tasks. Some were fitted with US-built "H2X" targeting radar, the American three-centimeter counterpart to the British ten-centimeter H2S, mounted in the nose radome. As American crews referred to H2X as "Mickey" for some forgotten reason, these were known as "Mickey Ships". Some USAAF Mosquitos were fitted out for dispensing chaff, and seven were fitted with communications gear to support Allied agents and resistance forces in Occupied Europe.
USAAF Mosquitos were also fitted to use the LORAN navigation system, the American answer to Gee, and as LORAN was something of an Allied standard later in the war it is plausible that some RAF Mosquitos had LORAN receivers as well.
Some sources also mention that the USAAF operated a squadron of NF.30s in Italy late in the war, but details are unclear. The USAAF returned all their Mosquitos at the end of the war, as part of the reverse Lend-Lease agreement.