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I think the improved P-40 did exist though and it was the P-40Q. Basically a long tailed P-40K or a P-40N (depending on the specific model of the 3 prototypes) with a two-stage (and water injected) Allison engine and some fairly extensive streamlining, and a bit of a plumbing change (putting radiator intake scoops in the wings, while the oil cooler remained in the nose) and toward the end of the test series, slightly clipped wings... resulting in what would have been a fast and deadly dogfighter. Curtiss got this together a bit late, and basically dropped the ball with a series of prototype crashes. That on top of all the other aggravations and failed designs they had offered up to the USAAF, and it sealed the fate of the old Warhawk series fighter.
However if Curtiss had this working & into productoin say a year to six months earlier, it probably did have a niche.
I think the woulda coulda shoulda hit right there. It could have been a Griffon or a 60 series Merlin a year or two earlier, but I'm not sure if Curtiss had the werewithal any more. Even their regular P-40Ns, which was probably their most successful design, were having build quality problems by the end of the production run. That company had just lost their Mojo. Probably the death knell was when Don Berlin left, but I'm sure he left due to the stench that was already pervading the place.
In regards to Optimal Altitude, if you're referring to the single stage Merlin, that increased working height could be a factor of a larger impeller working with a slightly smaller engine displacement....thus my earlier comments about utilizing the 12.18" impeller. Normally, the Allison used a 9.5" impeller in single stage configuration.
The Merlin normally used a 12" impeller.
I'm not sure what the problem was, maybe by the time they got them they had improved production sufficiently had had later model engines available. I know that some aircraft which came from Canada were rejected due to build quality problems. I think I remember something about ailerons...
I think a lot of modern pilots make their WWII planes look smaller by wearing a bigger hard helmet instead of the leather helmets they wore back in WWII. Makes the pilot look bigger so the plane appears smaller. I don't know....one more cool pic. This time its "Jacky C", flying over Long Island in the evening...
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...from Mike Killian's Photography website
I find it interesting just how small the plane looks in this photo.
I've seen pics of 109's that gave me the same feeling.
Elvis
Steve Hinton is one of the higher-time warbird pilots in the world. He should sound familiar if you are a WWII - Korean War-era aircraft fan. Being the president of the Planes of Fame, he flies everything in our flyable inventory, from the Boeing P-26 Peashooter to the A6M5 Model 52 to the F-86 / MiG-15-bis and a lot more including many first flights of just-restored warbirds.
I'm not too sure if Steve was or is a member here, but he pays attention to a lot of things and I would not be surprised to find him in here. Neither would I assume he has time to read threads arguing about what-ifs that never happened. He seems firmly rooted in what is real and flyable, but you never know, do you?
How the P-39 and P-40 were deployed is a debate for another time. And there were quite a few Russian aces in the P-39.The P-40 didn't climb well, but exactly how badly it climbed depended on the variant. and the power setting. You are referring to a D or E used at lower rated takeoff or military power. The Tomahawk (B, C) had a 2,800 fpm + initial climb rate. The K had almost a 3,000 fpm rate as well if climbing at higher power settings they used in the field up to about 12,000 ft. The P-40L-10 climbed at 3,300 fpm according to "The Curtiss Hawks", Wolverine Press, 1972 - P.234 and Carl Molesworth's, "Snub nosed Kittyhawks and Warhawks" (2013), P. 32
P-40F was the same as the L when they were stripped down for fighter combat, as they usually were in the MTO. But climbing performance wasn't the only measure of a fighter.
Without any doubt we could debate stats all day long which would be quite pointless. I'm not talking about performance stats, I'm talking about the operational history. The P-39 and P-40 were used roughly in the same quantities in the Pacific, in fact there were more P-39s deployed during several key battles such as at Guadalcanal (probably because on paper they looked like they would be better) and yet P-39 units claimed less than half as many victories as P-40 equipped units did (288 for P-39s vs 660 for P-40s) suffered more losses, and had a lower morale. If you include the ANZAC P-40 units that's another 248 victories. So I would say P-40s did a lot better there.
In the CBI the ratio was 5 claims for P-39 equipped units vs. 973 for P-40 units (only counting US and not Chinese units here). I don't think that many P-39s were used in the CBI though.
In the MTO, where P-39s were available in some numbers and for a comparatively long time, US units equipped with that fighter only claimed 25 victories, vs. 592 for P-40 equipped units. If you add Commonwealth units equipped with P-40s that goes up to 1042.
The total number of victory claims for US P-40 units in WW2 was 2225, making it 5th for all US fighter types, abvoe the F43U and the F4F. The total for the P-39 was 320.5, making it 10th, just above the SBD Dauntless. Source
There was also only one pilot who made Ace in the US military who flew P-39s, vs. at least 86 for the P-40. Not counting another 46 British Commonwealth pilots who became Ace while flying the P-40.
Now of course we know overclaiming was a thing, and I'm sure actual victories were far lower than 2225, but there is no reason I can think of to assume that that units equipped with P-40s, recruited from the same pool of pilots as the units equipped with the P-39s, would have been overclaiming at a higher rate.
In the Med, the P-39 was considered so ineffective in combat that they were relegated for a long time to 'Coastal Patrol' operations. At the same time the P-40 equipped units were bearing the brunt of combat with the Luftwaffe and Regia Aeronautica. Only later when improved models became available were P-39s used for CAS and bombing strikes, though they were limited in this role by their short range.
The P-39 proved it's merit in Russian hands, but with the Western Allies it was a major disappointment and when it came time to face the enemy, they failed in the litmus test, underperforming, whereas the P-40 tended to overperform vs. expectations, paticularly in the mid-war period. P-39s were tricky to fly and accidents also cost the lives of some very talented pilots flying for the Italian Co-Belligerent Air Force and the Free French. The Soviets may have been uniquely qualified to use it, or maybe the Americans just didn't give it the propepr work up it needed. The bott