Elvis
Chief Master Sergeant
...Pizza?
P-40 with Griffon engine
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Kevin J
Banned
Are you sure? I thought that was the Italians. Isn't Vatican City the successor state to the Roman Empire?
wuzak
Captain
Did Italy exist as Italy before 1861, or as separate states?
No, not really.
There were several hundred years between the fall of the Western Roman Empire and the formation of the Holy Roman Empire.
Kevin J
Banned
Who Invented Pizza?.
So there we go, the Italians invented pizza in 1889.
The Roman Empire used force, the Roman Catholic Church a mix of love and fear. Both use Latin as their language. The Holy Roman Empire was primarily German. I'll stick with my 'Vatican City is' quote. It's an empire of the mind.
Mode O.T. ON
Pizza did exist well before 1889.
The traditional recipe of a pizza was (and is today) a topping of tomato sauce, mozzarella, anchovies and capers and this pizza in Italy is called Napoletana. The mozzarella, for a true Pizza Margherita, is not the mozzarella made with the milk of female buffaloes, but it is made with the milk of the common cows.
But, as Regina Margherita, wife of the King Umberto I° (Margherita Maria Teresa Giovanna di Savoia - Torino, 20 novembre 1851 – Bordighera, 4 gennaio 1926) , did not like both anchovies and capers, and the mozzarella made with the buffalo milk was too tasty for her, a special pizza was made, with just tomato sauce and mozzarella fior di latte, with a few leaves of basil added, just for decoration, to represent the colors of the Italian flag. So the name.
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wuzak
Captain
You're right, the Holy Roman Empire had its origins in Germany and France, and did not have much to do with Italy, Rome or the Roman Empire.
And not much to do with the Catholic Church since the 16th century.
And I believe that too.
The Vatican City was formed in 1929. The Pope had nothing to do with the Holy Roman Empire since the 16th century, and the Holy Roman Empire was not a continuation of the Roman Empire, just took the name for some legitimacy, and nor was it truly an Empire.
Would that be why the first few centuries of the Holy Roman Empire were the "Dark Ages"?
Marshall_Stack
Senior Airman
I'm not sure how the conversation got to where it is now. Did the pope fly a P-40?
Kevin J
Banned
Maybe.You're right, the Holy Roman Empire had its origins in Germany and France, and did not have much to do with Italy, Rome or the Roman Empire.
And not much to do with the Catholic Church since the 16th century.
And I believe that too.
The Vatican City was formed in 1929. The Pope had nothing to do with the Holy Roman Empire since the 16th century, and the Holy Roman Empire was not a continuation of the Roman Empire, just took the name for some legitimacy, and nor was it truly an Empire.
Would that be why the first few centuries of the Holy Roman Empire were the "Dark Ages"?
Kevin J
Banned
Perhaps because they all had Hawks.I'm not sure how the conversation got to where it is now. Did the pope fly a P-40?
swampyankee
Chief Master Sergeant
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Romance languages
Baths
swampyankee
Chief Master Sergeant
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No. The Roman Empire was around to 1453.
I gave you some bacon for your pizza. Go ahead, give it a try.
glennasher
Senior Airman
Makes as much sense as sticking a Griffon in a P-40.......................
swampyankee
Chief Master Sergeant
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Back vaguely on topic...
Was there ever any consideration for a US manufacturer to license build the Griffon?
The P-40 was a good, albeit not great, airplane, but by the time a Griffon P-40 could be fielded, that aircraft was already obsolescent, and a Griffon upgrade would not be considered cost-effective. More useful could have been a Griffon P-51 or Griffon Mosquito.
Was there ever any consideration for a US manufacturer to license build the Griffon?
The P-40 was a good, albeit not great, airplane, but by the time a Griffon P-40 could be fielded, that aircraft was already obsolescent, and a Griffon upgrade would not be considered cost-effective. More useful could have been a Griffon P-51 or Griffon Mosquito.
Reluctant Poster
Tech Sergeant
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As I posted previously Packard was set up to be able to produce Griffons but not simultaneously with Merlins.
swampyankee
Chief Master Sergeant
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Sorry; I missed that. Was there any plan to license build Merlins and Griffons simultaneously in the US, using any manufacturer?
Elvis
Chief Master Sergeant
Isn't Rome in Italy?
Reluctant Poster
Tech Sergeant
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I highly recommend bacon jalapeño pizza as served in Underground Pizza in New York City
