Kevin J
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What they did was swap the V-1650-1 in the CCF Hurricane for a Merlin XX then use the Packard built ones on the Lancaster B III. So now does it make sense?
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They could, if there was room, but there isn't any.
It would require so much of a redesign, you might as well design a whole new plane.
What they did was swap the V-1650-1 in the CCF Hurricane for a Merlin XX then use the Packard built ones on the Lancaster B III. So now does it make sense?So you think the British, having negotiated for an American supply and giving away their technological secrets (radar, jet engines) in order to access American manufacturers, would just swap out the Packards for UK built Merlins?
This makes little sense, since if they had enough Merlins to do that they didn't need Packard Merlins at all.
What they did was swap the V-1650-1 in the CCF Hurricane for a Merlin XX then use the Packard built ones on the Lancaster B III. So now does it make sense?
I meant the Packard Merlin 28 was swapped out for a RR Merlin XX so that all Hurricanes had the same engine. Then the Packard was re-assigned to the Lancaster B III.It makes perfect sense in that CCF finished production of the Hurricane some time in 1942 and the Lancaster Mk III started production at the end of 1942.
The CCF Hurricanes did not use the Packard Merlin for around 1/2 of the period of production because there were no Packard production.
Not sure whether CCF Hurricanes used the V-1650-1, but the Lancaster III did not - they used the Packard Merlin 28.
Now, are you saying that CCF Hurricanes were shipped to the UK with Packard Merlin installed, and the engine was changed for a Merlin XX, the Packard engine then being transferred to Avro to put in a Lancaster?
That makes no sense, since, as mentioned above, Lancaster III production started near or after the end of Hurricane production and that Lancaster I and III were built on the same production line, the availability of the engines (Rolls-Royce or Packard) determining whether it was completed as a I or a III.
I meant the Packard Merlin 28 was swapped out for a RR Merlin XX so that all Hurricanes had the same engine. Then the Packard was re-assigned to the Lancaster B III.
When CCF Hurricanes arrived in England.Where and when?
It's seems to be a bit more nuanced according to this website. It states most CCF Hurricanes had their engines removed before being shipped to the UK. Those shipped with engines did have the Merlin 28s replaced with Merlin XXs.When CCF Hurricanes arrived in England.
The plot thickens, except its not 1451 built by CCF, but 1678. IIRC, back in the seventies, I read a book that said that CCF, not only built the aforementioned 1451, but also spares for 1000 more, which makes 2451.It's seems to be a bit more nuanced according to this website. It states most CCF Hurricanes had their engines removed before being shipped to the UK. Those shipped with engines did have the Merlin 28s replaced with Merlin XXs.
Harold A. Skaarup Web page
It's seems to be a bit more nuanced according to this website. It states most CCF Hurricanes had their engines removed before being shipped to the UK. Those shipped with engines did have the Merlin 28s replaced with Merlin XXs.
Harold A. Skaarup Web page
The plot thic
The plot thickens, except its not 1451 built by CCF, but 1678. IIRC, back in the seventies, I read a book that said that CCF, not only built the aforementioned 1451, but also spares for 1000 more, which makes 2451.
If you read the fine print in the website, it states that only 285 Merlin 28s were shipped to Canada for installation in Hurricanes. As you point out there were virtually no Packard built Merlins before 1942 (45 in all of 1941). The website also states that most Hurricanes were shipped to the UK without engines. i am hazarding a guess that rather than shipping Merlin XXs across the Atlantic it was more expedient to fit them in the UK. I would presume engines were fitted for test flights and then removed to be reused. The Melin 29 was a Merlin 28 with the American propeller shaft making it identical to the V1650-1. Its seems these were fitted to late production CCF hurricanes that were retained in Canada. These have the spinnerless Hamilton Standard propellers.From 1940 until at least late 1941 there would have been no Packard Merlins to install.
Still seems odd that they would change them.
There is double counting in those numbers. Some sources give the number of CCF Hurricanes produced to beI'm confused.
The link says:
Mk I: 50
Mk IIC: 1
Mk X: 1,025
Mk XI: 150
Mk XII: 401
MK XIIA: 50
Sea Hurricane: 1
Which equals 1,678.
Are you saying the actual number was 1,451 or 1,678?
duplicate postThere is double counting in those numbers. Some sources give the number of CCF Hurricanes produced as low as 1205
After reading all this, it sounds like 503 for the RCAF, but only 285 engines plus IIRC about 1000 airframes for shipment to the RAF IN the UK. Could be less though. Confusing eh?I'm confused.
The link says:
Mk I: 50
Mk IIC: 1
Mk X: 1,025
Mk XI: 150
Mk XII: 401
MK XIIA: 50
Sea Hurricane: 1
Which equals 1,678.
Are you saying the actual number was 1,451 or 1,678?
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