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No there were exactly 4 others before the planes were grounded, one pilot survived a turbine coming apart and that was Tony LeVeir.I know but Bong wasn't the only who had an accident in the P-80.
Not with one engine, that's the point, engine outs on final killed more 262 pilots than enemy action.Directional control was great in the Me-262 infact it was excellent. You'd have to go below 160 km/h to loose directional control in the Me-262 (This is with flaps deployed)
No better or worse than any other WW2 aircraft except you had two blowtorches under each wing...Ditching the Me-262 on a field at 160 km/h wouldn't be that risky for the pilot.
My point and agreeThe reliability issue was because of the use of substitute metals.
Something I wouldn't want to bet my life on....I am not really aware of how big a part of the Jumo 004 production was carried out by slave labor, infact AFAIK the Jumo 004's werent constructed by slave labor but built completely with German hands - I could be wrong about this though.
Not with one engine, that's the point,
engine outs on final killed more 262 pilots than enemy action.
With the P-80A's standard load I think it had better climb thn the 262 though...
Providing you were in gliding distance of the runway and you manage your airspeed for an approach.Ok if that is what you meant then I agree. But this problem could be simply rectified by shutting the engine off and gliding in on the final.
As well as the mechanical failures...Rookies were often responsible for engine outs, throttling up too fast.
Agree....A little over 100 Me-262's were lost to enemy action, over 90% being shot down on landing approach or take off.
Does that mean the rest were lost due to mechanical failure because some 900 had been delivered to the LW?A little over 100 Me-262's were lost to enemy action, over 90% being shot down on landing approach or take off.
Not according to official data.
The F-80C had a climb rate of 4,580 ft/min.
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The reliability issue was because of the use of substitute metals.
All that is fine provided you could make the field and the problem with dead stick approaches is sometimes the pilot miscalculated his glide and needs power so he could make the field. Combine this with combat situations and you have many a pilot "rushing" (for better words) to get on the ground. Normally you won't dead stick a twin engine aircraft, you try to fly it on the one engine but this takes training, something many multi engine pilots of WW2 on both sides lacked.FBJ, the 262 was controllable in flight on one engine so it could return to the airfield and shut off the engine on final approach, like Soren said, or idle it in case the aproach had to be aborted.
To a point - all first generation turbines had spool up problems.The reliabillity problems were largely due to lack of materials, as said, but the 004B also had fuel control problems which caused the rapid spool-up flame-outs and engine stalls. The 004D largely solved this problem though.
You still had to deal controlling the aircraft along the vertical axis because of the engines being mounted on the wings. Twin engine training wasn't taken serious in the first part of WW2 and many pilots jumped into twin engine aircraft with little or inadequate training.I definitely agree on the landings. But at least you don't have to worry about torque in a twin jet, though assymetric thrust is still a problem. (except in the P-59but this came at a price)
You are not saying much Soren. What very ridiculous claims do you take issue with?Koolkitty,
That comparison is beyond reason, the guy is making some very ridiculous claims and provides no facts to support them at all.