Sadly the poor Tornado was a Typhoon without an engine, it was to have been the Vulture engine version. I think Hawker ran out of weather related names after Tempest. From wiki
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Sadly the poor Tornado was a Typhoon without an engine, it was to have been the Vulture engine version. I think Hawker ran out of weather related names after Tempest. From wikiHello PBehn,
I suppose they should have called them all Tornado and been done with it?
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The Mk 21 was originally to be called the Victor but cooler heads prevailed and the iconic name was retained (They must have learned their lesson after the morale sapping name change from Fighter Command to Air Defense Great Britain).As mentioned in earlier posts:
We have the Spitfire Mk.I as compared to a Spitfire Mk.24.
The Wing is different, the Fuselage is different, the Tail is different, the Engine is different.
There are some obvious similarities in line but without knowing the history of the models in between, it is pretty hard to follow the evolution of one from the other.
There was also a mention that the F6F Hellcat came from the F4F Wildcat and in that case, one has to determine what "came from" really means..
There is no doubt that the mission and environment are the same and some of the construction techniques are the same, but that seems to be just the way that Grumman built aeroplanes at the time. It would be pretty similar to saying that the P-63 came from the P-39 when the only pieces that they have in common are the doors.
If you pull the old " we are talking about only five years", then it looks
more like this.
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One was also built with an early CentaurusSadly the poor Tornado was a Typhoon without an engine, it was to have been the Vulture engine version. I think Hawker ran out of weather related names after Tempest. From wiki
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Yeah. English really got messed up by that French conquest in 1066As usual its the Europeans to blame, the Dutch called a small boat a Corf and so the French made a smaller version of it, a corvette is smaller than a small boat.
No, French got contaminated and debased by 1066!Yeah. English really got messed up by that French conquest in 1066
I find such things interesting, it was a Norman French invasion so they already spoke a mix of French (vulgar Latin) and Norse which is Germanic.Yeah. English really got messed up by that French conquest in 1066
Until the era of Napoleon only 10% of the population spoke what would be recognised as French, on of the things he standardised was the French language itself.No, French got contaminated and debased by 1066!
Until the era of Napoleon only 10% of the population spoke what would be recognised as French, on of the things he standardised was the French language itself.
Languages change with interaction, until the age of the train people didn't move very much unless there was something like a war. In England the 100years war was a kind of war of independence or at least a settlement, at the start all laws were in French at the end they were in English. I read somewhere that William Wallace wrote letters in Latin which remained in use widely in printed for until the 15th century. Young William isn't presented as a Latin scholar in Braveheart in fact he spoke quite good English.The larger European countries are far less homogeneous than some suppose, and this may be more true of France than some others: as late as the First World War, fewer than half the native-born citizens of France spoke French as their first language (iTunesU; John Merriman). There were also disconnects between the language of the rulers and that of the people. In the case of England, until the 14th Century, the court and nobility of England spoke French; laws were written in French and Latin, not English. Scotland was split between English-speaking and Gaelic-speaking regions. Until the 19th Century, the court language of Austria was Italian The court language of Piedmont-Sardinia, the dynastic homeland of the Italian monarchy, the House of Savoy, was French.
Guillaume le Conquerant could probably speak comfortably with his liege lords, Henri I (King of France 1031 to 1060) and Philip I, and some of the aristocrats in France, at least those that weren't trying to kill him.
Languages change with interaction, until the age of the train people didn't move very much unless there was something like a war. In England the 100years war was a kind of war of independence or at least a settlement, at the start all laws were in French at the end they were in English. I read somewhere that William Wallace wrote letters in Latin which remained in use widely in printed for until the 15th century. Young William isn't presented as a Latin scholar in Braveheart in fact he spoke quite good English.
In the post railroad age it wasn't much different, neither of my grandmothers went further than 50 miles from where they were born, same for most of their family excluding the world wars and those who worked on ships people didn't move a great deal. Middlesbrough close to where I live grew during industrial revolution, a huge number of Irish people moved there but then they were Middlesbrough residents, they didn't travel back and forth.I've read somewhere that the average people during the pre-railroad age tended to travel fewer than 20 miles from their home village. It wouldn't have helped that many countries -- including England -- limited the travel of people of the laboring classes for many years.
Certainly, until the Reformation, educated persons would be expected to read and write Latin. Indeed, this is something that complicates study of literacy during this time frame: a person who could, for example, only read and write English (to keep, say, business accounts) may not have been considered to be literate. Wallace was also, if I remember, from the part of Scotland where the first language of most people was English.
Sorry guys, but the G-50 (XF6F) was started in 1938 as a successor to the F4F. As the design matured, several changes were made, but it started life as a follow-on.
Several design changes occurred as the design matured between 1938 and 1941: Low mounted wings, wider-track maingear, R-2800 instead of R-2600, hydraulic undercarriage, self-sealing tanks, higher cockpit, etc.
By the time the XF6F-3 flew on 30 July 1942, it looked a great deal different than it's original concept four years earlier.
The F8F was a clean sheet design, the F6F was not.
Correction, Norman and Breton conquest, we then spent the next 500 years fighting the French, that is we, the Bretons and the Normans, Brittany and Normandy now both being part of France, except the the Channel Islands or Isles Anglo-Norman as the French call them.Yeah. English really got messed up by that French conquest in 1066
Sorry guys, but the G-50 (XF6F) was started in 1938 as a successor to the F4F. As the design matured, several changes were made, but it started life as a follow-on.
Several design changes occurred as the design matured between 1938 and 1941: Low mounted wings, wider-track maingear, R-2800 instead of R-2600, hydraulic undercarriage, self-sealing tanks, higher cockpit, etc.
By the time the XF6F-3 flew on 30 July 1942, it looked a great deal different than it's original concept four years earlier.
The F8F was a clean sheet design, the F6F was not.