RLM74 RLM75 reference

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    #1 destrozas, Nov 10, 2011
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    well I put this topic because I have an almost existential question about the colors of a viking BV 222 are the same that had the Arado Ar 96, rlm74 and RLM75 as have looked in a book of classics productions is a reference, revi according to the magazine is another, according to modellisme Aeri is another and no longer what would be the most successful if you can help me .
     
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    Hi,
    I don't know if this will help, but here following is a page from a booklet issued by the famous Luftwaffe expert, Jean-Claude Mermet
    colori RLM 2.jpg
    If not yet done, you can also have a look here:
    Luftwaffe WW2 RLM Color Tables
    Alberto
     
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    Well done Alberto. :)
     
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    serious if possible FS references closer together as they say each gives a different reference.
    thank you very much I have not the book but I have other than named as muchismas questions regarding this author is very meticulous in his books.
     
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    There are no exact FS numbers for RLM colours so different authors will adopt different approximations.
    Cheers
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    that is the question and how I can have a fruitful conversation with you on the subject until I decided I view more colors had always painted with the referral is an comparative obtube qeu different manufacturers until you've been mrando to compare my comparison is that give me a few colors that are virtually identical whether changes from 20 to 30 in the fs cambinacion want to see how you think and see if I can draw a conclusion
     
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    #7 Wurger, Nov 10, 2011
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    Bv-222 Wiking flying boats weren't painted with RLM74/75, I'm afraid. As memo serves these colours were RLM70/71 on tops and sides and the RLM65 on undersides With the C variant the new set of colours was introduced and then these were painted with RLM72/73 on tops and sides and the RLM65 on bottom surfaces.

    If you are interesting in FS numbers :

    RLM70 - FS34050 or FS34052
    RLM71 - FS34083 or FS34079
    RLM72 - FS34056
    RLM73 - FS34092

    RLM65 - FS35352 or FS35414
     
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    Yup, agree with Wojtek.
     
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    Humm...??? :-k :scratch:
     
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    first rectify thing I looked at the instructions and it is certain the plane is RLM 72/73.
    According to some authors would not be such RLM72/73 colors would be:
    RLM 72 is FS 36081 and the RLM 73 is FS34064
    may be wrong but according to Humbrol and equivalency tables themselves the RLM 72 is the 116 which is FS34092 and RLM73 is 30 which is FS34056 and if they seem, the question is such as to vallejo model series, the RLM 73 the number FS34079 Humbrol HU7, which is far from resembling.
    in the series of paintings Gunze (the Quie more I like and most used) the RLM 73 has no reference as such but that would be the H309 which is the same as said Vallejo, would be the RLM 72 H302 by FS34092
     
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    Unfortunately the FS36081 can't be the RLM72 as ite FS number indicates series of grey colours. I have checked a few books for the Viking flying boat and haven't noticed any of them wearing a such camo scheme. The grey colour would be easy noticable being applied with the Green RLM73. Samples below.... What is more my sources say that both RLM72 and RLM73 were green colours what indicates the FS numbers of 34xxx series.
    Please give me some time I have to check something additionally.

    fs36081.jpg fs34064.jpg
     
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    #15 Wurger, Nov 11, 2011
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    According to my another source these RLM72/73 colours were "naval" equivalents of "overland" RLM70/71 paints. Both were green ones. The RLM72 was equivalent of RLM70 and the RLM73 was for the RLM71 one.
    The source suggests FS34058 number for the RLM72. So it is very close to FS34056 suggested by Urban's Colour Reference Chart at the IPMS Stockholm site. The RLM73 is of FS34159 number according to my source. It's close to the FS34092 suggested by Urban's chart. However it seems to be better for RLM62. But the FS number is also for the US paint called Green Blue (A54 M). The FS34092 is called Green (A16 M) Both samples below...

    FS34092 - [​IMG]

    FS34159 - [​IMG]
     
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    OK... now paints.

    The Urban's Reference Chart suggests a mix of 6*Hu:91 + 2*Hu:189 + 1*Hu:3 for the RLM72 colour. The Hu stands for Humbrol of course. So there is no Humbrol equivalent for the colour directly. And it is the same suggested in my source. Other paints.... Xtracolor X222, Testors enemel 2082, Pactra A89.
    The RLM73 is suggested by Urban's Chart as the Humbrol 149, my source says Humbrol 31. But it's a typo I think and there should have been Humbrol 30. Other paints.... Xtracolor X223 or X129, Testors enamel 2083, Pactra A90.
     
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    #17 Wurger, Nov 11, 2011
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    Here is a pic of one of Vikings of variant with camo spots noticable.The diffeence between both colours of fuselage can be noticed .

    [​IMG]

    Also here you are a profile found on our forum site with two Vikings of the camo colours. One of them seems to show the RLM70/71/65 scheme and the second one is for the RLM72/73/65 variant. But I think both of them should be of RLM72/73/65. It's just a matter of scanning.

    [​IMG]
     
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    To sum up......

    I would suggest using paints of tonalitis like these in images below...

    rlm72.jpg rlm73.jpg
    rlm65.jpg

    Also you can use Gunze Acrylic RLM 70 Black Green and RLM 71 Dark Green. Each of these colours has to be lightened and "greyed up" by adding approximately 20% of Tamiya XF-18 Medium Blue.
     
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    RLM 65 for the Vallejo 71008 which is almost identical there to put a drop of white for every 5 of this color, the other as thanks for the resolution of the dilemma which I think would be said of the Gunze H302 RLM 72 for the and H309 for the RLM 73 are very much alike.
     
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