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wmaxt said:I have seen the F4U-4 at 5min to 20,000ft but did not have a source/site handy, so I used readily available data on both aircraft. Do you have sources and sites, if so please post them for our education?
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The Vertical Speed Indicator in the cockpit shows Feet per Minute. Unless a test is being accomplished, I doubt any pilot is timing his progress to altitude.syscom3 said:Time to climb measured in minutes, does sound more accurate than climb rates measured in FPM.
Twitch might be onto something here.
I wouldn't agree that having a better climb giving you as escape option. It certainly isn't valid if there are a number of planes in the air as you lose speed and energy making yourself an easy target for any other plane in the sky.wmaxt said:I agree with Twitch about a lot of what he says, however climb ability is of importance. An aircraft with a better climb rate has an escape and an ability to then turn a defensive position into an offensive situation.
The winner of a vertical scissors is almost always the aircraft with the best climb rate.
wmaxt
Good points there Glider, and also think about this, a 20 or 30 FPM climb rate advantage or a 30 second rate of climb atvantage at a specific altitude isn't going to mean escape - if anything trying to run away at a minimal margin is going to add up for a better firing solution for the pursuer (As Glider stated).Glider said:I wouldn't agree that having a better climb giving you as escape option. It certainly isn't valid if there are a number of planes in the air as you lose speed and energy making yourself an easy target for any other plane in the sky.
If its a one to one situation then it isn't the rate of climb that is of overiding importance but the angle of the climb. If I can climb at a steaper angle than you it doesn't matter if you are going faster than me, as I will be able to get my guns to bear. If I am the target and am climbing at a steaper angle then it doesn't matter how fast you are climbing, you will not get your guns to bear.
This sounds fine and dandy but it only works if the chasing plane isn't close to a firing position when the target plane starts the climb. A plane starting a climb is almost a stationary target for a short and the angle needed by the chasing plane to get a firing solution is very shallow.
Hot Space said:The Sea Fury because it shot down Mig 15's 8)
syscom3 said:That must be the ultimate shame for a jet fighter pilot ................ getting shot down by a prop plane!
wmaxt said:Actually I'd go for the F4U-4
Sea Fury - top Speed - 460mph
F4U-4 --- top speed -- 460mph (without external racks) 446mph with
Sea Fury - Climb ------ 2777ft/min
Corsair --- climb ------ 3870ft/min (reports of 4.9min to 20,000ft at WEP)
Sea Fury - range ------ 700mi internal
Corsair --- range ------ 1015mi internal
Sea Fury - ceiling ----- 35,800ft
Corsair ---ceiling ------ 41,500ft
Sea Fury - loading ----- 2,000lbs
Corsair --- loading ----- 4,000lbs War time load outs of over 5,500lbs reported
Sea Fury - Armament -- 4 x 20mm
Corsair --- Armament -- 6 x .50s or 4 x 20mm
Sea Fury - Horse power - 2,480hp
Corsair --- Horse power - 2,450hp
Sea Fury - empty wt ---- 9,240lbs
Corsair --- empty wt ---- 9,206lbs
Sea Fury - Gross wt ----- 12,500lbs
Corsair --- Gross wt ----- 14,670lbs
Sea Fury - wing area ---- 280sq/ft
Corsair --- wing area ---- 314sq/ft
As you can see the Corsair has it in all respects except possibly speed (wheather the Sea Fury speed is with/without external mounts). Equal power and more wing area gives the Corsair the edge in climb and should also give it an edge in turning. Climb and ceiling alone would give the edge to the Corsair in air to air encounters. However the more savy pilot could win in either aircraft.
wmaxt