Service, Overhaul intervals for WW2 aircraft engines question.

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Was there anything like a sludge trap built in? They have such thigs on pipelines and refineries.
 
I thought I covered that in the bit you didnt highlight. From start to finish the Merlin had a lot of fundamental things changed from the ramp head, carburettors, updraft to downdraft, superchargers and all work on ancilliaries.'
 
Hey pbehn,

I can not guarantee this is 100% true, but as far as I am aware the sludge trap is not used on ICE engines that use replaceable or cleanable oil filters. Also as far as I am aware, pretty much all the turbine engines use oil filters as well as oil scavenge filters, and so (probably?) would not benefit from sludge traps.

Out of curiosity, do the refineries and associated piping systems use any replaceable (or possibly cleanable) filter units in the areas you were referring to?
 
It has probably been classified as not necessary on turbines as they mainly run a synthetic oil so filtering is all it needs and an unacceptable weight and maintenance penalty on light aircraft. On bug smashers depending on pilots to drain it after every flight is fraught with danger as is the possibility that they do not fully close the drain which has the potential to cause an in flight shut down.

It may well be technology that was developed post war when the large engines were already doomed to extinction for the vast majority of operators.
 
The Bristol Hercules VI XI XVI XVII XVIII operators handbook (August, 1945) indicates that they are fitted with centrifugers for the engine oil.
I checked to see how often the engine oil is replaced, and surprisingly the routine maintenance section does not specify any engine oil changes between overhauls.
The oil filter is to be cleaned at each minor inspection.
The accessory gearbox requires oil changes at alternate minor inspections, which is also when the centrifugers are required to be removed and cleaned.
 
Does the operator's handbook indicate the intervals for a "minor inspection"?

Normally detailed maintenance information will not be found in the operator's handbook, you'll have to go to the actual engine maintenance manual.
 
Simon - the later engines I worked on used in the Bristol Freighters did did not have that feature from memory so it was probably deleted in later engines. I distinctly remember a purolator type filter low down on the blower case which was a pig to remove and two other filters, one in the sump and one in the tank. Oil changes were regular (cant remember hours) and the oil tank was flushed before filling but that may have been an operator requirement.

Flyboy - I am fairly sure I scanned and posted the Hercules 630(?) series Engine Maintenance Manual to the forum so have a look for that. If not let me know and I will post it. I cannot remember if it contains maintenance schedules. We worked from the the schedules in the Airframe manual.
 
Excerpts from T.O. 02-55A A-2 Handbook of Service Instructions for Packard Merlin 28, 29, 31:
 

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I just did a search for it in our technical section and can't find anything, although a few people were looking for Hercules manuals
 
The Hercules VI XI XVI XVII XVIII handbook does not correlate hours to inspection type.

It appears that the Hercules VI XI XVI XVII XVIII has the centrifuger and no oil drain period. The centrifuger is cleaned at alternate minor inspections.
The Hercules 130 and 131 has no centrifuger, it does have the purolator and it has a 200 hour oil drain period. The purolator is cleaned on a 100 hour schedule.
The Hercules 630 has no centrifuger, it does have the purolator and it has a 100 hour oil drain period. The purolator filter is normally only removed during the overhaul of the engine.
Seems Bristol were trying something different with every model Hercules.

The Wright GR2600-A5B has an oil drain period of 50 hours.
The Merlin II is 40 hours.
 
I'll bet "normal maintenance" on a bird so rare and expensive (i.e. cost to recover, restore, and operate Dottie Mae) is very frequent and detailed. IMHO, probably well in excess of the manufacturer's/military regimen.
 
I'll bet "normal maintenance" on a bird so rare and expensive (i.e. cost to recover, restore, and operate Dottie Mae) is very frequent and detailed. IMHO, probably well in excess of the manufacturer's/military regimen.
I've helped maintain a few, and usually most owners go beyond what's in the maintenance manuals and writes that into their FAA approved maintenance program
 
To put some fact to fiction and stories I am attaching T.O. 00-25-4, Aircraft Maintenance Procedure and Overhaul of Engines. It specifies the approved TBO for each engine being used within the Army Air Forces in 1942 and 1943. It also identifies the requirements before exceeding the established TBO hours.
 

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I often wondered why the R-975 was not a popular engine post war and that chart suggests why - 375hr TBO on some models, 500 on others versus the R-985s at 700 hours on all models
 
1) I would say there would be too many differences between these engines to give a meaningful answer. You have air cooled radials and liquid cooled in-line engines listed here - wildly different in operation. Suffice to say, each aeroplane fitted with a certain engine would have a fixed schedule of maintenance (if it survived that long - most did not!).
2) Again, every aeroplane would have its own list of items that needed to be completed in a turn around, some lists were no doubt added to, or reduced, based on experience in the field.
3) Tune ups were not carried out as far as I know, you had routine maintenance at the fixed interval but everything else was not interfered with unless disturbed in the course of other work. For example the valve clearances and magneto timing on the P&W Wasp Junior (R985) are not altered between overhaul (unless necessary).
4) Each engine had its own TBO or Time Between Overhauls. In the case of Russian engines these were only noted in the first engine log and set by the factory dependant on the aircraft to which the engine was being fitted so the same ASh-82FN engine might easily have different TBOs depending on its fitment.
5) If the pilot or flight engineer noted a large lack of performance and there was no control or accessory issue, the engine would be changed, same if it used unusually large amounts of oil and there were no obvious leaks, there were not too many other ways of telling!
6) I would say not, the power egg was not a universal 'thing' I don't think, most aircraft engines are a big job to change as a lot is 'built around it' - its a great idea, four bolts, two control connections and a few hoses sounds wonderful - I wish the aircraft I look after had that!
 

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