Spinner Identification

[Karaya_1]

Hello, we've got this spinner in our airfield museum and we don't know the origin. We believe it might be from a Mustang, as we have no german WW2 plane with a 4-bladed spinner in this color and shape and we don't think about a Hawker Typhoon. It was found at Schwäbisch Hall/Hessental airfield and there were some fighter bombers shot done during strafing attacks, one on 13.9.1944. There are no visible markings or plates inside and we were a little bit irritated by the hole in the front as we have never seen it on a Mustang before. Now we found a few pictures with the same hole, but what was it used for ? Does anyone have a drawing of the spinner plus hole ? And are there any known losses on this date or in connection to the airfield ? Thanks in advance !
Michael

 

[Engineman]

Hi,

I don't think that is a P-51B/C/D Spinner or a Spitfire Mk IX Spinner. That looks to be a VDM type Haube.

Eng

 

[Snautzer01]

See.

 

[Karaya_1]

Thanks, we will check it. For a He 177 the shape looks strange and there's no hole, we thought of an US plane, because inside there are some color chips that look like interior green.

 

[Wurger]

Hi,

I don't think that is a P-51B/C/D Spinner or a Spitfire Mk IX Spinner. That looks to be a VDM type Haube.

Eng

I agree that's not the P-51 or Spitfire spinner. The P-51 had the part made as two pieces and the joining line was at the prop blade roots deviding the holes for blade shafts into two halves usually. There wasn't the rivet and panel line in front of the holes for the blade shafts. It was moved more forward towards the spinner tip. However the line isn't noticed very often so it might be a rivet line made during riveting of the inner round stiffener at the area only . Also the cuts for the blade shafts were of the different shape.

 

[Engineman]

So,
VDM made very many types of Luftschraube Gerat. Typical VDM features of that spinner in the pics are, the rear attachment ring of pins, the simple spun structure, simple blade apertures and the style of internal diaphragm with a supporting ring. These are not all exclusive to the VDM Haube, but are notable, as is the simple small hole at the front.
I do think the spinner you show is probably small for a He 177. There are smaller 4-blade VDM spinners such as on the centre engine of the Bv 138 and many prototypes, including the 4 blade version for the late Bf 109 K, 9-12199 . A dataplate would be great but I guess there is not one, but there might possibly be some stamped numbers?

Eng

 

[Karaya_1]

There are traces of plates, but they are missing. I looked for stamped numbers but without success. I will compare the VDM pictures with the data book, maybe the positions of the plates are identical.

 

[Wurger]

Also I agree with Engineman that's not the He 177 spinner. Too small and the cutouts for the blade shafts are of the different shape.

 

[Karaya_1]

Maybe a Do 217 N-2 ?

 

[Wurger]

Maybe a Do 217 N-2 ? View attachment 818231

Much better ... but it seems the spinner wasn't that long ( deep ) and was more pointy.

 

[Engineman]

Maybe a Do 217 N-2 ? View attachment 818231

Possibly. The VDM partnumber for that Do 217 N 4-blade spinner is 9-12083.32 or .31 .
Without a data plate though, you are going to have to track down another marked spinner to compare or, find someone with the drawings of that spinner to cross check the
dimensions. With those good condition steel mounting segments you could certainly calculate the diameter of the baseplate accurately.

Eng

 

[Tony Kambic]

That is a German spinner. Note the outer ring tabs which fit into slots on the spinner back plate. I don't recall that many 4 bladed German aircraft so I suspect it should be easy to identify. I have both the VDM and Junkers prop manuals and will review. The data plate on a spinner is at the outside edge.

Attached is an image of a DB603 VDM spinner mounted to the back plate, showing position of their respective data plates.

Tony

 

[Karaya_1]

I will check it for traces of an outside plate and will get a better picture of the blade cutouts. Maybe it's a Do 217M, because Schwäbisch Hall was the center for integration and testing of Hs 293 and Fritz X.

 

[Tony Kambic]

I will check it for traces of an outside plate and will get a better picture of the blade cutouts. Maybe it's a Do 217M, because Schwäbisch Hall was the center for integration and testing of Hs 293 and Fritz X.

Under the VDM documents, I found 3 aircraft using the 4 blade spinners: Do217, He177, and the Ju288. Still reviewing Junker documents.

Tony

 

[Engineman]

That is a German spinner. Note the outer ring tabs which fit into slots on the spinner back plate. I don't recall that many 4 bladed German aircraft so I suspect it should be easy to identify. I have both the VDM and Junkers prop manuals and will review. The data plate on a spinner is at the outside edge.

Attached is an image of a DB603 VDM spinner mounted to the back plate, showing position of their respective data plates.

Tony

Hi Tony,

Talking rare, Great pic of He 219 Spinner detail!

Cheers

Eng

 

[mjfur]

Can we get some measurements? Height and width?


Another Luftwaffe 4-blade prop.

 

[Karaya_1]

This is a single experimental FW 190 V18, it has never been at our airport. It also has a big hole for armament.

 

[Engineman]

This is a single experimental FW 190 V18, it has never been at our airport. It also has a big hole for armament.

Maybe you could be more friendly?
Only 8 hours ago you thought it was, a "P-51", and "no German WW2 plane".
So, you get top-class help from many and now you are dismissive of positive help. Maybe you should find the "Like" button!

Eng

 

[Snautzer01]

Maybe you could be more friendly?
Only 8 hours ago you thought it was, a "P-51", and "no German WW2 plane".
So, you get top-class help from many and now you are dismissive of positive help. Maybe you should find the "Like" button!

Eng

Hmm yes .
Although I do not think it is rudley mannered in this case.
Perhaps ..may be.
Please give him some slack Eng. For one I did not read anything rude or un gentleman in it.

And yes a little attaboy with a like or whatever is welcome.
You know, and i am very sure you know, someone can spend hours in an answer or trying to do so.
Just a tiny thing as a like is nice. Appreciation of knowledge is the fuel that one needs to dig in files or memory.

I like your knowledge about these things. I read your posts about that stuff. I am not the only one.

 

[Crimea_River]

I didn't see anything rude in it either and hope that mjfur didn't take it as such. Karaya said what I was thinking re the one-off.