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The guys said that it was difficult to get anything to fit, especially on the wing, as there isn't one straight line on it. Also, the girder-style ribs take a lot more labour to produce than a simple stamped aluminium rib. The main spars are also a fairly significant piece of engineering, with having a number of box-sections sleeved on inside the other, and then all bent together to form the dihedral angle.
there's three issues that would have made the spitfire wing more labour-intensive to produce.
Stona, ive heard that as well, but it does not stand up to closer srutiny. In a related thread there is a similar discussion going on at this minute.
These are the facts....in 1940, with about 2/3 the workforce dedicated to spitfire production as was dedicated to 109 production, the british managed to produce roughly twice as many of their type as the germans did of theirs.
Admittedly the brits devoted about three times the factory space as the germans, and were working about 50% longer hours per worker, but this still does not justify the notion that the 109 was an easier plane to produce. even allowing for nazi innefficiency simply cannot explain thjis.
An accurate but very misleading statement. What you say is true, in that production of the 109E started after production of the Spitfire however you ignore the fact that the 109 had been in production for years before this producing the 109B/C/D with factories in place and a trained workforce. Plus a lot of care went into the design of the 109 to make it easier to produce and all credit to the design teams for that, something that has never been said of the Spitfire.I very much doubt that. First of all, how are these workforce numbers arrived at? Secondly it seems just plain wrong - Spitfire production started some time before the Bf 109E production, yet at the start it was so slow it took IIRC about half a year just to get a single Spitfire Sqn operational with a full compliment of planes...
Production of the Spitfire didn't begin until mid 1938 so at the start of the war it had been going for about 12 months. It would be interesting to know how many 109B's were produced in the first 12 months.and when you look at the number of planes in service, you find that by the start of the war, the Germans had about 1200 Bf 109Es in service already, the British just a hundred or two Spitfires.
A couple of observationsDuring the BoB all German single engined fighters available (roughly 1100) were Bf 109Es, yet on the British side there were just about 2-300 Spitfires available. In fact well until the middle of the war there simply weren't enough Spitfires to re-equip Hurricane Squadrons.
On that I totally agree with you.Its also striking to the eye if you look them up close - the Spit is almost like a random collection of panels riveted to each other (and much of it still using domed? rivets as opposed to the all-flush riveted 109). Look at the 109 in contrast - its basically made up by a much lower number of large dural panels, and its quite obvious that someone gave it serious thought to simplify construction.
Its also striking to the eye if you look them up close - the Spit is almost like a random collection of panels riveted to each other (and much of it still using domed? rivets as opposed to the all-flush riveted 109). Look at the 109 in contrast - its basically made up by a much lower number of large dural panels, and its quite obvious that someone gave it serious thought to simplify construction.
A (female) German worker rivetting unflanged sheets in a jig for Bf109 assembly
In viewing the clip I doubt by this person's age that he actually BUILT Spitfires but rather restored them and it seems he's more of a pilot than a mechanic. Compound curves in a structure is a design feature and has nothing to do with the guy assembling the structure - he just puts the rivets in and pounds away. Additionally the appearance of the way skin panels are placed in construction does not necessarily dictate the complexity of the structure. Now with that said I will agree that the -109 is more maintainer friendly. The British seemed to be reluctant to use cam locks in many places making removal of cowls and panels difficult.Its not a notion, its a simple fact, repeated by wartime reports, people who worked on these airplanes. See from 5:00View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgvfklVzYZo
Its also striking to the eye if you look them up close - the Spit is almost like a random collection of panels riveted to each other (and much of it still using domed? rivets as opposed to the all-flush riveted 109). Look at the 109 in contrast - its basically made up by a much lower number of large dural panels, and its quite obvious that someone gave it serious thought to simplify construction.
In early 1940, it took 15 000 hours to produce a Spitfire, 10 000 to produce a Hurricane, and somewhere around 6000 hours to build a 109E. These figures are from British and German Air Ministry.
Actually they did...
In the US all manufacturers had huge training programs when they brought in people off the street. Aviation maintenance schools were booming and there were dozens of aircraft assembler apprentice programs that paid new-bees during training. I had a uncle that worked for Brewster for about 3 or 4 months and then he got drafted.
tried to build an aircraft factory on the lines of a car factory. Something that only the Americans cracked.
Ok - did this answer your question?It was a question, not a statement.
U.S. Strategic Bombing Survey Aircraft Division Industry Report
Mass production of the V1 cruise missile began during March 1944. 21,450 were produced at the VW automobile plant over the next 12 months dispite being repeatedly bombed. If ordered to do so I think VW could have mass produced fighter aircraft like the Me-109 and Fw-190 instead.
V1 might have been a more effective weapon if it was used on a better target. Something like the ports of southern England or even the Normandy beaches would've probably done a lot more damage than bombarding London.
Probably wouldn't have changed the outcome of the campaing, but it would've made it more costly.
TimV1 might have been a more effective weapon if it was used on a better target. Something like the ports of southern England or even the Normandy beaches would've probably done a lot more damage than bombarding London