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Sounds like you're a warhorse kind of guy. Me, I like racing horses.
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The carbuncles of the Spit are are ok for me. It looks stronger that way.
I prefer the weapon configuration of the D-9 with the MG bulges making it more meanlooking than the later Fw/Ta fighters.
About the 109 the K-version with its bigger yet streamlined front fuselage (without the ugly blisters of the G-versions) and the thickened wing part to house the bigger wheels
one gets the impression of hardly tamed power underneath.
It had all the bulges in the right place while still looking sleek.
This plane meant business. This also applies to the 190s/152s and the later Spits.
The Italian fighters never struck to me as more or less attractive than the ones of other countries yet some people say that they owe their "special"(?) beauty to their famous Italian design heritage.
Sounds like you're a warhorse kind of guy. Me, I like racing horses.
The graph of Mk 21 moved right, so it rolled better at speeds above 250mph EAS, and worse below that speed than e.g. Mk V. Also its max rate of roll was higher, it peaked a bit under 120deg/sec at 300mph EAS.Anyone knows how much the roll rate of the Spitfire improved with the advent of the Mk 21+? .
So could already Spit Mk VC, all C wing Spits had the option of 4 20mm but it was used only a short while in some Mk VCs, the armament really was too heavy for Merlin Spits.It could house four 20 mm Hispanos.
Oh go on then as we are doing Spitfire p0rn
So did it roll as fast as or faster than the Doras and Tanks in the higher speed envelopes?
A more fair comparison would be to compare the Mk XIV to the P-51H model, which was designed to be more of a dogfighter...I would think the H would hang with, or better the Spit in almost every category...
Maybe...but the P-51H didn't fly until 3 Feb 45 whereas the Spit XIV entered squadron service in Dec 43. The Spit 21 was in squadron use in Jan 45 so even that's not a true counterpart of the P-51H. The Mk22 was probably the closest from a timescale perspective...so how about that comparison?
There probably isn't a fair comparison if you're going by being in service at the same time, not because the Mustang lacked good design, but rather because it was designed for a different purpose. None of the Mustangs prior to the H model compare well to the Spits simply because the Spits were designed purely as a dogfighter, and the Mustang was not. That's why I said to compare the H to the XIV because it was designed to be a better dogfighter...and it was...
Where did you ever get that idea??? The 'A'-'C' wing Spitfire was able to out roll an early Tomohawk upWas the Spitfire designed as a dogfighter? I believe it was designed as an interceptor. To give it speed and climb a thin elliptical wing was chosen. To compensate for a thin wings stall problems it was given a small wash out. Turn and climb are similar properties which resulted in the Spitfire being good in a dogfight but that wasnt its design brief, it never had a great roll rate.
Jeff perhaps because it needed clipped wings to compete with Fw 190. Your figures are all "up to", presumably the Spitfire suffered above those speeds. Also the last version in the Supermarine line the Spiteful was specifically designed to have a much better roll rate.Where did you ever get that idea??? The 'A'-'C' wing Spitfire was able to out roll an early Tomohawk up
to speeds past 240 mph. It could out roll the P-51B up to 260 mph. It could even out roll the P-63 up to
220 mph. And just for the Proverbial record, the clipped wing versions could out roll the fabled Fw-190A
up past 215 mph and most everything else up to around 295 mph.
Once again, whatever made you think the Spitfire couldn't roll well?
Jeff???