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I took that he was asserting that if you include the 110s and the half dozen Do17s that tipped the balance of the axis fighter force into the inferior oposition category.I believe he is implying that most of the air strength of the Luftwaffe was Do 17 and Me 110 night fighters...
In terms of the original subject, I was reading about the MiG 17 and it sounds like a MiG 15 that was stretched and given a bigger engine and a few other tweaks. Did I get that wrong?
IIRC, it got a hotter engine and an interceptor radar. This "bulked up" the forward part of the fuselage, making the canopy even smaller and the already poor cockpit visibility even worse.Didn't the MiG-21 itself (the single engine, Russian version) also get stretched somewhat? And I think maybe that did have to do with fuel? Or am I remembering wrong...
Didn't the MiG-21 itself (the single engine, Russian version) also get stretched somewhat?
I took that he was asserting that if you include the 110s and the half dozen Do17s that tipped the balance of the axis fighter force into the inferior oposition category.
Not sure how else to interpret that but maybe there's something I'm missing. Wouldn't be the first time
So are you making the claim that fighter aircraft based in the Mediterranean Islands weren't engaging with DAF fighters in 1942? Because you have the book, you really ought to know better.
So what? What is your point? Servicability waxed and waned for both sides throughout 1942 and 1943.
Which if any Axis fighters are you alleging are sub-par, Bf 109 or MC202 or both?
Be clear what you are asserting.
I believe he is implying that most of the air strength of the Luftwaffe was Do 17 and Me 110 night fighters...
Ok cool but.........that changes the overall landscape as far as percentage of total planes that are 1st line fighters by even less. Youd be better off going with what I thought you were asserting.This is what you are missing:
Schweik lists the German fighter units operational with Bf 109's , and these units have a total of 112 aircraft on hand and he then writes that of these 97 were serviceable. However, this a misrepresentation of what Shores writes; so in my reply to Schweik I added what he had left out and highlighted this in red. There were 112 109's + 46 110's +7 Do17's for a total of 165, of which 97 were seviceable .
If we take the c. 60% overall serviceability rate, then there were more likely about 70 serviceable 109's.
On the subject of stretches, this is what the Chinese did with the MiG-21, the Shenyang J-8 twin engined interceptor.
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Info here: Shenyang J-8 - Wikipedia
Ok cool but.........that changes the overall landscape as far as percentage of total planes that are 1st line fighters by even less. Youd be better off going with what I thought you were asserting.
You've lost me now ?
It's a confusion between the argument or point you were making (if you were making one - it still isn't entirely clear) and the one Ivan was making that the Axis opposition in the MTO was sub-par.
You are kidding me.
No, I'd say they probably were; from Pantelleria specifically though it seems more likely that they would be engaging RAF fighters from Malta, which is about 240 km away, compared to say Tobruk which is 1200 km away.