SaparotRob
Unter Gemeine Geschwader Murmeltier XIII
I plan on watching this later. I wouldn't watch the "tank is dead" videos by instant experts. The Chieftain seems pretty credible to me.
Tanks post-2022: what now?
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SaparotRob
Unter Gemeine Geschwader Murmeltier XIII
Plus he has actual hands on experience about what he's talking about.
Thumpalumpacus
Major
Tanks have always had vulnerabilities, and opposing forces have always had means and methods for dealing with them. They're still a vital part of combined arms, because tanks can do things no other systems can do.
Admiral Beez
Major
Once tanks have an active protection system they will be less vulnerable to MANPATS. That's what will even the chances once more.
America's Killer M1 Abrams Tank Now Has Its Own Shields
The Trophy system is coming to one of America's most lethal weapons of war.
nationalinterest.org
Quick Kill - Wikipedia
Thumpalumpacus
Major
Once tanks have an active protection system they will be less vulnerable to MANPATS. That's what will even the chances once more.
America's Killer M1 Abrams Tank Now Has Its Own Shields
The Trophy system is coming to one of America's most lethal weapons of war.
Quick Kill - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
Cool article and thanks for posting. Just wait 'til lasers get more efficient and can be mounted on tanks.
Also from the article:
Gosh, haven't they learnt a thing?
SaparotRob
Unter Gemeine Geschwader Murmeltier XIII
I hope not.
Thumpalumpacus
Major
Clearly they haven't, still sending tanks into cities without an infantry skirt.
GrauGeist
Generalfeldmarschall zur Luftschiff Abteilung
The Soviets lost over 2,800 tanks during the battle of Berlin - most were due to Panzerfaust AT weapons during the street fighting.
It pays to read history books...
It pays to read history books...
I think maybe the history books aren't written in Russian which could be a problem.
Thumpalumpacus
Major
It's not like tanks - infantry + cities = problems is a new equation.
Since WWII the USSR / Russia has had military operations which were limited to backing revolutions or rolling into places where the opposition was mainly
comprised of insurgent or militia groups.
This time they have come up against trained and ready combat forces with modern equipment who know how to fight. The results so far speak for themselves.
Even the cleverly bush cammo coloured JD4x4 tank snaffler brigade was not seen as a threat.
comprised of insurgent or militia groups.
This time they have come up against trained and ready combat forces with modern equipment who know how to fight. The results so far speak for themselves.
Even the cleverly bush cammo coloured JD4x4 tank snaffler brigade was not seen as a threat.
Thumpalumpacus
Major
Gave it a "funny" for your last line, but your point about facing a modern adversary is spot-on.
GrauGeist
Generalfeldmarschall zur Luftschiff Abteilung
Even in Afghanistan, the Soviets got their ass handed to them by Muhajadein mostly armed with Stingers.
It boils down to Russia counting on their intimidating arm-waving and scary words.
It boils down to Russia counting on their intimidating arm-waving and scary words.
GrauGeist
Generalfeldmarschall zur Luftschiff Abteilung
Going by memory, the Soviets had over 22,000 AFVs and the Germans had about 1,200 - the Red Army kept sending wave after wave against the Germans until the Germans were literally inundated with bodies and simply could not kill enough fast enough.
Jagdflieger
Senior Airman
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Why is that "dubious"?
That the Sherman has a better loss/kill ratio then a T-34, is not because of being the better tank, but due to the resistance and quantity of arms brought forward by the Wehrmacht towards the Soviets and the tactics employed by the Soviets.
Any stats in regards to the Sherman's performance operated in Russia?
Regards
Jagdflieger
Thumpalumpacus
Major
The T-34 was one of the best tanks of WWII imo.
Snautzer01
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Why would you think that? Just curious.
