The Falklands

CharlesBronson · Sep 7, 2007

CB - do you know what year Argentina took possession of their King Air 200s? I remember you posting some pics of them in this or another thread.

The navy received two batchs, one of B-80s in 1975 for training and other of B-200 equipped for photo recce and transport duties in 1980-81.

In 1994 the survivors were equipped with air-to-sea radar for detecting intruding fishing boats in the patagonian coast.

1982.

In 1998 were replaced in that task for the P-3C orions.

Matt308 · Sep 7, 2007

Bravo, CB. Bravo.

CharlesBronson · Sep 7, 2007

Thanks man. 8)

On May, 21st, then Lt. Horacio Sánchez Mariño (Argentine Army), flying
Bell UH-1H AE-418 helicopter, took of on a commandoes insertion flight
near Mount Kent, during the Malvinas War. He was intercepted by a
Harrier CAP that, even though it could not shoot down the said
helicopter, it forced Lt Sanchez Mariño to make an emergency
landing. The crew and passengers left the helicopter, as one of the
Harriers fired a salvo of rockets that barely missed the aircraft,
with no casualties. Some shrapnel, however, damaged the main blades,
which were repaired on site with a household glue ("Poxipol"). The
helicopter went on flying -thanks to this field expedient repair- till
the end the hostilities.

mkloby · Sep 7, 2007

Thanks - good info CB

CharlesBronson · Sep 7, 2007

You re welcome Mac.

There was other biturboprop in service in 1982.
Interestingly the navy after burning out his last Lockheed P-2 Neptune in the very long range mission against the HMS Sheffield rented to Brazil 3 EMBRAER EMB-111 Bandeirante with searching radars.

However the aircraft did not fullfill the spectancies of the navy pilots. Probably the Beech 200 would be better with the proper equipment.

Matt308 · Sep 7, 2007

I have been told that slow moving aircraft are a very difficult target for fast movers with guns only. In fact, a 130J driver told me that his odds in a mountainous area were surprisingly good against a high speed fighter.

Aussie1001 · Sep 7, 2007

i have heard stories about korea where one american jet was trying to shoot down a korean bi plane that had been bombing american airfields, the sabre even with full flaps and undercarriage down was still going to fast. In the end he shot the bi-plane down however stalled and crashed killing the pilot....

CharlesBronson · Sep 9, 2007

I have been told that slow moving aircraft are a very difficult target for fast movers with guns only. In fact, a 130J driver told me that his odds in a mountainous area were surprisingly good against a high speed fighter.

It seems to be true, also in the Navy T-34C mentor used over the islands, check the first message of Graeme in page 22, actually the first post of page 22 and the last one are two jewels

i have heard stories about korea where one american jet was trying to shoot down a korean bi plane that had been bombing american airfields, the sabre even with full flaps and undercarriage down was still going to fast. In the end he shot the bi-plane down however stalled and crashed killing the pilot....

I know the Koreans used Polikarpv P-2 , but I think his most usual predator was the F4U Corsair.

It hurts ¡¡

Ricardo Lucero, Dagger pilot, scream of pain after being hit by seadart and forced to eject in San carlos waters, 25th may 1982.

The pilot broke a leg in the process and was captured by the HMS Fearless.

The dark skin colour of Lucero gave place to a funny incident, the britons believe for sometime that the argentine air Force was using Peruvian pilots.

In fact Peru helped Argentina selling 10 Mirage Vp, those planes were ferried by peruvians pilots to Argentina , but they came too late for participate in combats and in any case the Air Force ( obviously) rejected the entusiast requeriment of the peruvians to fly combat missions against the Royal Navy.

Glider · Sep 10, 2007

Why turn down the offer of help?

CharlesBronson · Sep 10, 2007

Probably because the Argentine Goverment didnt want to involve a third country in the war.

CharlesBronson · Sep 12, 2007

Napalm filled tanks pictured in Goose Green, those were designed for use in A-4 and FMA IA-58. Unfortunately (or fortunately, depend in wich side are you looking for) those were never used against ships, it would be no "fuze troubles" with this.

plan_D · Sep 13, 2007

If Argentina turned down the offer of help; it would have only been to save an alliance against them. If Peru joined in on the Argentine side it would have most likely led to South American countries joining on the British side and probably the U.S would have stepped in with force.

CharlesBronson · Sep 13, 2007

If Peru joined in on the Argentine side it would have most likely led to South American countries joining on the British side and probably the U.S would have stepped in with force.

José Luis · Sep 14, 2007

Glider said:
Why turn down the offer of help?

and

CharlesBronson said:
Probably because the Argentine Goverment didnt want to involve a third country in the war.

I was in service in that period and there were a couple of corridor rumors regarding this. Without any order, one said that USA intelligence pressed a lot the Junta Militar to avoid the use foreign countries ops and continue to rent tools, the second one said that for political reasons, they were lefties, Argentina didn't accept people.

plan_D · Sep 14, 2007

So, once again, CB proves he cannot grasp the real world.

José Luis · Sep 14, 2007

plan_D said:
So, once again, CB proves he cannot grasp the real world.

Sorry, I don't understand what you mean. Really.
However, I try to clarify. Up to now, the info that CB was given, or better, the info that I red from him here were always right. At least for what I know.

plan_D · Sep 14, 2007

Have you just said that him saying four British destroyers were sank in the Falklands was right?

Glider · Sep 14, 2007

plan_D said:
So, once again, CB proves he cannot grasp the real world.

I am afraid that I don't understand this comment. If this referring to his last reply to a posting of yours I admit to not knowing where you were coming from.
There was absolutley no chance of anyone joining in the war on the side of the UK. Like it or not, large parts of the world see the UK as the imperialist aggressor and are more than happy to see us on the losing side of a dispute.
Chile was the best ally that we had and they have their own long standing border disputes with Argentina, namely the Beagle Channel, which no doubt had something to do with the assistance the UK received.

Can I ask on what grounds you based your scenario?

CharlesBronson · Sep 20, 2007

Quite silent here since the last Gliders question

I wonder why ?

OTO Melara 105 mm howitzer of the 4th airborne artillery regiment in action.

The barrel in full recoil.

In some ocassion the enemy was engaged aiming trough the barrel given the close range of the british advance.

Matt308 · Sep 20, 2007

Okay the last one was a little over the top, CB.

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