Glider
Captain
Have to agree with you on that. The British used those Italian 105 howitzers for a while and they have AT sights, so looking through the barrel is a little unlikely.
The Falklands
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The Basket
Senior Master Sergeant
- 3,712
- Jun 27, 2007
Hey...CB.
I read that the Argentines had SA-7 Grail Shoulder launched heat seekers...this right?
Do you have a list of all Argentine air defence assets in the Falklands and any kills they may have?
I read that the Argentines had SA-7 Grail Shoulder launched heat seekers...this right?
Do you have a list of all Argentine air defence assets in the Falklands and any kills they may have?
mfg
Airman
CharlesBronson
Senior Master Sergeant
Not really, probably some kind of canister shot were used.
Yes, 30 were bought in Libia in may 1982, the ony task I remember for those asigned was to defend the ground launched Exocets.
Air force:
Oerlikon twin 35 mm
Rheinmetall twin 20mm
Army:
Roland Missiles
Oerlikon twin 35mm
Blow Pipe.
Hispano Hs 804 20mm
Hispano Hs 627 30 mm.
Sa-7
Marines:
Sa-7
The argentine kills ? well this site have a good account.
One of Our Aircraft is Missing
Obviously more aircraft were claimed by the argentine forces than the list quoted there, specially helicopters.
The air Force claimed one more Sea harrier and a Scout, that dindt appear there.
Quiet silence because I've got better things to do; sorry if my world isn't rotating around this discussion.
I base my scenario on history, and the lessons its given us, Glider. How many times have wars snowballed into larger conflicts for no reason? How many times have wars been thrown out of control because one country saw an oppurtunity, and took it? Seven Years War, Thirty Years War, Great Northern War, War of Spanish Succession, World War I to name a few. All those wars have one thing in a common, the vast majority of the combatants had nothing to do with the original cause of war.
Maybe it doesn't say it in your books, and it doesn't say it in mine, but if you read then think - the Falklands War had the tension to break out into something bigger. If Peru had got involved, Chile would have a reason, then someone else, then someone else, and it's pretty obvious that the U.S would eventually say enough is enough and stick their lot in.
It might be hard to grasp ...but just think a little and read past 1982
I base my scenario on history, and the lessons its given us, Glider. How many times have wars snowballed into larger conflicts for no reason? How many times have wars been thrown out of control because one country saw an oppurtunity, and took it? Seven Years War, Thirty Years War, Great Northern War, War of Spanish Succession, World War I to name a few. All those wars have one thing in a common, the vast majority of the combatants had nothing to do with the original cause of war.
Maybe it doesn't say it in your books, and it doesn't say it in mine, but if you read then think - the Falklands War had the tension to break out into something bigger. If Peru had got involved, Chile would have a reason, then someone else, then someone else, and it's pretty obvious that the U.S would eventually say enough is enough and stick their lot in.
It might be hard to grasp ...but just think a little and read past 1982
CharlesBronson
Senior Master Sergeant
Chile is one thing but you wrote:
That means entire South America against Argentina and that is 100 % foolish.
Yes sure, that comes from a guy with 11,200 messages
That means entire South America against Argentina and that is 100 % foolish.
Yes sure, that comes from a guy with 11,200 messages
The Basket
Senior Master Sergeant
- 3,712
- Jun 27, 2007
Hey CB
On the SA-7s...were they bought at the rush for the conflict or was it a long term thing...were they ever fired in anger...who did the training?????
If memory served...interesting about a Libyan connection...I beleive Libya also had air launched Exocets for their Mirage F1s...I bet you guys asked nice for a dozen
On the SA-7s...were they bought at the rush for the conflict or was it a long term thing...were they ever fired in anger...who did the training?????
If memory served...interesting about a Libyan connection...I beleive Libya also had air launched Exocets for their Mirage F1s...I bet you guys asked nice for a dozen
CharlesBronson
Senior Master Sergeant
Yeap, they were bought because nobody was selling anything better.
Was fired but I dont remember any kill with that system.
True, but none come.
Hs 804, 20mm.
11,200 messages in over three years, and not all in this discussion. I browse and contribute to many on here, but the numbers have been dwindling because I've got things to do at the moment. So, don't think you're high and mighty if I take a while to reply in future.
"South American countries joining in..." doesn't mean ALL of South America, does it? If I said European countries would join in against Germany in World War II, it wouldn't mean all of Europe fought against them.
Get a grip. Since you didn't reply properly, do I assume you haven't got a decent response?
"South American countries joining in..." doesn't mean ALL of South America, does it? If I said European countries would join in against Germany in World War II, it wouldn't mean all of Europe fought against them.
Get a grip. Since you didn't reply properly, do I assume you haven't got a decent response?
CharlesBronson
Senior Master Sergeant
Okay, but being brutally honest I dont care any of your aswers, but the ones of more balanced people.
And what does mean? Bolivia joining in ? Guyana joining in ? Paraguay joining in? Brasil joining in ? Did the british need a samba squad?
You wrote senceless post and then is my fault
No other south american country than Chile was willing to attack Argentina, even less willing if the allied was Britain.
Chile, South American...makes my comment valid. And if Chile had something to gain, which it would have, it wouldn't have cared about being allied with Britain. And more balanced people...like you? Haha. You try to be subtle in bad mouthing Britain, but it's about as subtle as a brick. And when you get it back, you don't like it. And if you didn't really care, you wouldn't reply, would you?
CharlesBronson
Senior Master Sergeant
It did not.
Well I dont remember being subtle with what opinion do I have with the britain claim or the the argentine one.
Aniway you are right, I shouldnt reply, but there is so many stupidity flying around...I cant resist.
'Stupidity' flying around, none of which you've actually attempted to counter. Rather you attempt personal attacks that have no real significance to anything but your own attempt on inflating your ego. You provide pictures (nice pictures, I can't deny) of the war then copy and paste articles that I find it hard to believe you've ever read.
Why waste your time and effort in trying to get one over on me? Why don't you just read a little more, learn a little more and then if you think I've said something that's wrong - counter it and maybe I'd concede. Instead of ranting because I didn't say exactly what you wanted to hear.
Perfect example was you getting butt-hurt and going off on one because I said the transport ships should have been the target. Ranting about how four top class destroyers were sunk and I was trying to forget about them hardly put up a good case against me, especially since two were destroyers and two were frigates.
So, why bother? I'm wasting my time now, but I ain't got anything better to do for the next ten minutes while my dinner cooks. What's your excuse?
Why waste your time and effort in trying to get one over on me? Why don't you just read a little more, learn a little more and then if you think I've said something that's wrong - counter it and maybe I'd concede. Instead of ranting because I didn't say exactly what you wanted to hear.
Perfect example was you getting butt-hurt and going off on one because I said the transport ships should have been the target. Ranting about how four top class destroyers were sunk and I was trying to forget about them hardly put up a good case against me, especially since two were destroyers and two were frigates.
So, why bother? I'm wasting my time now, but I ain't got anything better to do for the next ten minutes while my dinner cooks. What's your excuse?
CharlesBronson
Senior Master Sergeant
Yea man...whatever.
Talking about artillery here I found avideo in Youtube showing the Ga4 pieces in action.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYIPB2x01-Q
Talking about artillery here I found avideo in Youtube showing the Ga4 pieces in action.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYIPB2x01-Q
Thanks but that doesn't really answer my question. So the A-4s went in unescorted by fighters? I've seen pictures of A-4s with sidewinders mounted on their wings. I suppose the Argentines didn't have any.
CharlesBronson
Senior Master Sergeant
I believe that the variants B, C and Q did not had the capabilities of carring Sidewinders, in any case neither in the AAF or the Navy never was intended to use those in the war in this aircraft type.
Most of the missions were flew unescorted.
Most of the missions were flew unescorted.
Matt308
Glock Perfection
Excellent pic.
Several missions were unescorted, other escorted (see [POST=here;265098]).[/POST].
For what regard the A4 used by Argentina during the war, for these aircrafts, never was intended to use so sophisticated weapon (there was a veto from USA to sell AIM9 to Argentina)
