The Greatest Fighter Pilot in WW II???

[lesofprimus]

Bar was an excellent pilot..... He was one of the few Luftwaffe pilots that scored crazy kills IN BOTH THEATRES.......

Ill list the name then WEST Kills then EAST Kills...

Name
WEST/EAST

Obstlt Heinz "Pritzel" Bär
125/96

Maj Erich Rudorffer
86/138

Maj Anton "Toni" Hackl
61/131

Hptm Ernst-Wilhelm Reinert
71/103

Maj Joachim Müncheberg
102/33

Maj Friedrich-Karl "Tutti" Müller
53/87

Obst Walter Oesau
73/44

Maj Werner "Vati" Mölders
68/33

Obst Herbert Ihlefeld
56/67

Maj Hans "Assi" Hahn
66/42

Ofw Heinrich Bartels
50/49

Maj Theodor Weissenberger
33/175

Maj Hans Philipp
28/178

Obst Johannes Steinhoff
28/148

Hptm Emil Lang
29/144

Obst Wolf-Dietrich Wilcke
25/137

 

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

An excellent pilot he was. I was always intrigued by him and would have loved to have actually had a chance to meet him had he not died way before I was born.

Yes another great one on the east and west front as you posted was Erich Rudorffer.

Over 1,000 missions. 222 aerial victories. Shot down 16 times, including 9 bailouts.
He flew the Bf.109 in the Battle of Britain in late 1940.

He went to Tunisia in late 1942 when the Luftwaffe sought to check the American advances in North Africa. In February, 1943, he was flying the Fw.190 with J.G. 2 against the Americans. On the 9th, while based at Kairouan, his unit got word of an attack by dozens of USAAF bombers and fighters. They attacked the B-17s, as the P-40s, P-38s, Spitfires and Hurricanes came to defend them. In the ensuing dogfight, the P-40s went into a defensive Lufbery. But Rudorffer repeatedly penetrated it, and shot down six of the Curtiss fighters in a few minutes. As the dogfight broke up, he spotted some P-38s below, and destroyed two of them. Eight in one day! One of his best days ever.

He was sent to Russia in August, and achieved great success on that fronat as well, downing eleven Russian machines on two different occasions.

In 1944, he flew the Me.262 jet against the U.S. bombers that were attacking Germany. While the Me.262 was very fast,it had a lot of bugs, and there were simply too many Allied aircraft by that time.

Rudorffer also survived the war.
http://www.acepilots.com/german/ger_aces.html#rudorffer

 

[Lightning Guy]

Moelders certainly would have been in the running for ace of aces if he had not died so early in the war.

 

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

I agree Moelders was an excellent pilot.

Werner "Vati" Mölders was born on 18 March 1913, at Gelsenkirchen in the Ruhrgebiet. He joined the army in 1931 and served as an officer cadet in the Infantry. In 1934, with the rebirth of the Luftwaffe as a result of Hitler coming to power, Mölders requested a transfer to become a pilot. At his first attempt to join the Luftwaffe, he was declared unfit for flying. He tried again and was accepted for flying training. He was badly afflicted by air sickness but overcame the problem through sheer willpower. On 1 July 1935, Leutnant Mölders was posted to Fliegergruppe Schwerin (later to be redesignated I./StG 162). He was appointed Staffelkapitän of 1./JG 334 (later to be redesignated 1./JG 53) on 15 March 1936. On 1 April 1936, he was transferred to the Schulstaffel of JG 134 to undertake instructing duties. For two years he was an instructor at Wiesbaden. He volunteered for the Condor Legion and arrived by sea in Cadiz on 14 April that year. He took over from Adolf Galland at the head of 3.J/88. During the Spanish conflict he showed considerable qualities not only as a pilot and marksman but also, and especially, as a tactician and organiser. Together with other airmen, in Spain he developed the technique known as the "finger four", or fan, which improved a flight's all-round vision and encouraged the pilots' initiative. Between 15 July and 3 November 1938, he shot down fourteen aircraft: eleven I-16 "Mosca", two Polikarpov I-15 "Chato" and one SB-2 "Katyuska", as well as one unconfirmed I-16 victory, most of these at the controls of the Bf 109 C-1 coded 6-79 "Luchs". He was awarded the Spanienkreuz in Gold mit Schwertern und Brillanten in recognition of his achievements. At the end of the year he returned to Germany as the highest scoring German pilot of the Spanish conflict, with a glowing reputation and a maturity beyond his years and rank. At the beginning of World War II, Mölders was Staffelkapitän of 1./JG 53 "Pik As", based at Wiesbaden-Erbenheim. He became known by those under his command as "Vati" (Daddy) Mölders. He shot down his first aircraft of the Second World War on 21 September 1939, a French Curtiss 75 A fighter. On 1 November he went on to command III./JG 53, also based at Wiesbaden-Erbenheim. On 27 May 1940, after his 20th victory, a French Curtiss 75 A SW of Amiens, he was promoted to Hauptmann and decorated with the Knight's Cross. He was shot down in combat on 5 June 1940, by French ace Sous Lieutenant René Pommier Layragues (6 victories) flying a D.520 of GC II/7 after having scored 25 victories during 128 missions and was taken prisoner. He was liberated two weeks later upon the armistice with France. He returned to Germany to be promoted to Major and given command of JG 51 as Kommodore. On 28 July 1940, during his first flight with his new unit, he succeeded in downing a Spitfire, but his aircraft was then hit by the enemy aircraft. Severely wounded in the legs, Mölders just managed to make an emergency landing at the airfield at Wissant in France. It was not until a month later that he was able to return to combat, most likely flying the Bf 109 E-4 W.Nr. 2404 (photographed on 31 August with 32 victory bars), as well as W.Nr. 3737, (shot down over England while being flown by Hptm Asmus on 25 October, with no stab markings according to the crash report, but 49 victory bars). He quickly brought his score up by downing 28 British fighters during the remainder of the Battle of Britain, including his 40th, a Spitfire over Dungeness, on 20 September, for which he was awarded the Oak Leaves (No. 2) the next day. On 22 October he downed three RAF Hurricanes to become the first Luftwaffe pilot to reach a score of 50 aerial victories. By the end of the Battle of Britain he had a total of 54 victories, and he would add one more before the end of the year.
He continued flying and fighting over the Channel Front until early May, by which time he had brought down an additional 13 British aircraft. On 22 June 1941, the first day of Operation Barbarossa on the Eastern Front, he shot down four Russian aircraft, one I-153 and three SB-2 bombers, his 69th through 72nd victories, and was awarded the Schwertern (No. 2). He was the first pilot to surpass von Richthofen's WW I record score of 80 on 30 June, when he shot down 5 SB-2 bombers to score his 78th to 82nd victories on a day that JG 51 claimed 110 SB-2 and DB-3 bombers. He shot down a further four enemy aircraft on 5 July for his 83rd to 86th victories. On 15 July he became the first pilot in history to record 100 victories and was immediately awarded the Brillanten (No. 1), the first German soldier to be so recognized. He was immediately forbidden to fly combat on the personal orders of Göring. At only 28 years of age, he was promoted to Oberst and appointed Inspector General of Fighters on 7 August. Even though ordered to cease flying combat missions, he continued to do so and achieved several unconfirmed victories over the Crimea. He personally instructed many pilots on how to achieve success, and helped develop the forward air controller concept. On 22 November 1941, he was flying as a passenger in a He 111 from the Crimea to Germany to attend the funeral of Ernst Udet. Landing during a thunderstorm at Breslau the aircraft crashed and Mölders and the pilot were killed. In his memory, on 20 December 1941, JG 51 was bestowed the honor name "Mölders".
He flew a total of some 330 missions during the Second World War, 100 of these on the Eastern Front, during which he shot down a total of 101 aircraft, 33 of these in the East. He also was the top scorer of the Legion Condor in Spain with 14 victories achieved in some 100 missions, and helped develop many of the modern fighter tactics still in use today.
Victories : 115
Awards : Knight's Cross with Oak Leaves, Swords and Diamonds
Units : J/88, JG 53, JG 51
http://www.luftwaffe.cz/molders.html

 

[plan_D]

His death is made even worse that he didn't die in combat. The best possible way for a warrior, such as they considered themselves, to die was in combat not some crash as a passenger in a storm.

 

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

I agree. That is the same for all soldiers no matter what they do. I know I would rather die in combat than if my Blackhawk were to just crash from mechanical failure or somthing. Not that I want to die.

 

[plan_D]

Those Blackhawks are brilliant Helis, they'll get you home under a lot of shit. You know that.

 

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Yes they will. Anyways the pilot ethos has always intrigued me. They are all brave and command respect no matter which side they fought on. Not every person can climb into the cramped cockpit of a fighter plane and fly into the skies knowing that you may not come back alive. They are all truely great men.

 

[Lightning Guy]

There are a number of top American aces who died, not from enemy action, but from flying accidents. Richard Bong, Thomas McGuire, Gerald R. Johnson, Danny Roberts, are just a few of these. Danny Roberts was especially tragic in my opinion. He was making a shard turn to stay on the tail of a Japanese fighter but his wingman was too slow reacting. The two fighters collided and both pilots were lost.

 

[cheddar cheese]

Didnt Bong crash after the war though, test flying a P-80?

 

[Nonskimmer]

Yeah.

 

[cheddar cheese]

I knew it... 8)

 

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Man that sucks that has to be a really horrid way to die by flying into your wingman.

 

[evangilder]

I read an interview with a guy who was the last one to see Dick Bong alive. He saw him flying over the road, steering the plane away from buildings to keep anyone on the ground from being killed. A hero to the end.

 

[lesofprimus]

Yes he was.....

McGuire wasnt a flying accident.. He got into low level combat, didnt drop his tanks, and crashed into the ground.....

 

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Well as for Dick Bong and all the other pilots who have done something like that, it takes a great man to do that and save so many lives even though you know your life is going to end. They are all heros. I have read many accounts of pilots who have done that mostly private pilots.

 

[cheddar cheese]

Yes he was.....

McGuire wasnt a flying accident.. He got into low level combat, didnt drop his tanks, and crashed into the ground.....

Thats called a flying accident, he wasnt shot down...

 

[evangilder]

That's true too, Adler!

 

[lesofprimus]

No it was not an accident, it was a crash during combat maneouvering.... An accident is an accident...

Accident:
"Capt Right was decending when he accidently hit the wrong control and inverted his plane and crashed into the ground."

Combat Related Fataltity:
"Capt Wrong banked to the left at 50 feet while pursuing a Japanese Zero and clipped his wingtip into the ground, cartwheeling into a fire-balling mess..."

 

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

No it was not an accident, it was a crash during combat maneouvering.... An accident is an accident...

Combat Related Fataltity:
"Capt Wrong banked to the left at 50 feet while pursuing a Japanese Zero and clipped his wingtip into the ground, cartwheeling into a fire-balling mess..."

Nope sorry man that is still an accident. An accident is something that did not happen on purpose. The guys who burned in a Blackhawk over hear a couple of months ago were on a combat mission when they turned to sharply and lost power and could not gain it back and hit the ground. That is an accident. So if he did not drop his tanks and hit the ground that would be an accident also. I do understand what you are saying but if he was not shot down then it would be an aircraft accident or some people would say an aircraft mishap.