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Do you have figures for other European countries, outside of German pre-WW2 borders?Martin Sorge in the Other Price of Hitler's war claims 410,000 civilians killed and "hundreds of thousands" missing. The 410,000 figure appears to be German civilians killed, then add 23,000 police and civilians working in the military, 32,000 foreign workers and PoWs plus 128,000 displaced persons, total 593,000.
As usual in the USSR, there are issues with civilian casualties statistics.It is reported USSR air raid casualties were comparable to Germany's including Hamburg like death tolls in the bombings of Stalingrad before the Heer arrived
I posted a link. It's not too hard to find the data, although those data may have large error bands.Great post, Geoffrey. A lot of data.
Do you have figures for other European countries, outside of German pre-WW2 borders
The bombing campaign against the European Axis oil supplies could have certainly started much earlier, talk September of 1939.
But neither French nor British governments were allowing it.
Even then, I think it's questionable whether the RAF and Armée de l'Air had the mass, training, manpower and equipment necessary to produce really significant/crippling results before the German invasion in 1940.
It certainly could have started earlier, but I'm not convinced that it would have produced any war-changing impact.
French and British bombing efforts in 1939-1940 were desultory and their effects on Germany productivity marginal. The Butt Report highlights some of the scale of the problem on the side of the Allies - primarily issues with navigation, accurate bombing and actually doing long-term damage. Similarly, the amount of slack/idle capacity in the German oil sector in 1939-1941 shows just how much damage could have been absorbed at least until Barbarossa is launched.
The only alternate universe where I see an 'Oil Plan' being effective in 1939 is if the French and British had developed a unified bombing plan in the pre-war period (a 'combined bomber offensive' if you will) and had pursued it 100% from Day 1 of the war, without fear of retaliatory bombing and concerns about civilian casualties (on either side).
Even then, I think it's questionable whether the RAF and Armée de l'Air had the mass, training, manpower and equipment necessary to produce really significant/crippling results before the German invasion in 1940.
Good sense?What was a 'thing' that Germany was lacking the most?
16,627 tons solar oil
An effective Oil Campaign in Sept '39 would have been an well planned ground offensive to take the Ruhr coal fields while the Wehrmacht was occupied in Poland. The synthetic oil production using the Bergius process required coal. Forgive me for digressing.The bombing campaign against the European Axis oil supplies could have certainly started much earlier, talk September of 1939.
But neither French nor British governments were allowing it.
An effective Oil Campaign in Sept '39 would have been an well planned ground offensive to take the Ruhr coal fields while the Wehrmacht was occupied in Poland. The synthetic oil production using the Bergius process required coal. Forgive me for digressing.
Thank you. Probably I was not clear, I asked about the civilian casualties caused by Allied bombing outside of Germany's pre-war borders.I posted a link. It's not too hard to find the data, although those data may have large error bands.
Research Starters: Worldwide Deaths in World War II
See estimates for worldwide deaths, broken down by country, in World War II.www.nationalww2museum.org
Combatants & Casualties of World War II – The World War II Multimedia Database
www.worldwar2database.com
World War II Casualties by Country 2025
Discover population, economy, health, and more with the most comprehensive global statistics at your fingertips.worldpopulationreview.com
World War II Fatalities By Country
World War Two was the deadliest war in human history. Between 70 to 85 million people died, either as a direct result of the conflict or due to war-related factors.www.worldatlas.com
As mentioned, Soviet civilian casualties may conflate deaths directly due to Axis action with those due to internal Soviet actions. This is why I ignored the USSR when adding up civilian deaths in Europe. To a great extent, German war aims included depopulating Eastern Europe, so most of the civilian casualties there were not collateral damage, but deliberate genocidal policies.
Probably, Solaröl, Solar Oil or adaptation from the Russian "solyar" (itself based on the German word).Geoffrey, what is this? I tried looking it up but only got hits for tanning lotions.
In Norway ,'solarolje' was between the wars used to designate diesel oil importert from Germany, which was made by bestilling tar from coal (brunkulltjære). Used fx in fishing vessels driven by 'semi diesels'.Geoffrey, what is this? I tried looking it up but only got hits for tanning lotions.
The British history The Economic Blockade reports the USSR supplied the following, in 1940 202,292 tons of petrol, 15,831 tons spindle oil, 32,561 tons machine oil, 16,627 tons solar oil, 16,729 tons lubricating oil, 234,145 tons gas oil, 134,820 tons fuel oil, in 1941 278,958 tons of petroleum products. Total imports from the USSR in 1940 were 3,032,830 tons, for 1 January to 22 June 1941, 1,362,269 tons.
Sunflower oil can be used in diesel engines by blending it with diesel oil, Not working very well in cold temperatures. I have no idea if it was used that way in 30s and 40s.Geoffrey, what is this? I tried looking it up but only got hits for tanning lotions.
The German oil industry was collapsing far more rapidly. In December 1944, while total industrial production stood at 85 percent of its second-quarter level, production of petroleum products was less than 40 percent of the level achieved during the first four months of the year. By March 1945, petroleum production in Germany, both synthetic and crude, had decreased to about 12 percent of its level during the first four months of 1944.50 A major factor in this decline was the effect of Allied bombing on the German transportation system, since with transportation outages coal could not be brought to the synthetic plants and finished products could not be distributed. Allied bombing also crippled production directly in the German oil industry, as Figure 2 shows.52
The synthetic oil sector of the German oil industry declined much more rapidly than did the crude sector. In December 1944, total synthetic production was proceeding at only 16 percent of its pre-bombing rate, and by March 1945 that statistic had dropped to 3 percent. From an average monthly rate of 359,000 metric tons of petroleum before the bombing, production had dropped to only about 11,000 metric tons.52 It is not surprising that the Allied bombers concentrated on the synthetic sector, given its relative importance to the German economy. However, one of the very factors that had led to the sector's rapid rise - efficient use of technological interdependence - speeded its downfall. Hitler himself expressed this problem well at a meeting on 9 May 1944 at Obersalzburg with the most important economic policymakers in the Third Reich: Keitel, Göring, Milch, Krauch, Pleiger, Bütefisch, E. R. Fischer, Kehrl, and Speer. "In my view," he said, "the fuel, Buna rubber, and nitrogen plants represent a particularly sensitive point for the conduct of the war, since vital materials for armaments are being manufactured in a small number of plants."53 Air strikes on synthetic petroleum plants yielded unexpected dividends, reducing the production not only of oil but also of synthetic alcohol, synthetic rubber, and synthetic nitrates, which in turn hastened the decline of the economy.
Within the synthetic sector of the German oil industry, hydrogenation plants suffered more from the Allied onslaught than did Fischer-Tropsch plants. Bergius facilities represented nearly half of all German petroleum production capacity, and received a corresponding percentage of the tonnage of bombs dropped by the Allies. But production losses in the hydrogenation plants constituted over 65 percent of total German petroleum production losses due to the Allied bombing. Overall, 36 metric tons of production were lost for every short ton of bombs dropped on the Bergius plants. In contrast, Fischer-Tropsch plants, with 6.5 percent of total installed petroleum production capacity, were responsible for 7.5 percent of the production loss. For every short ton of bombs dropped on Fischer-Tropsch facilities, only 10 metric tons of production were lost. The Allies, like the Nazis, attached great importance to hydrogenation plants, recognizing their crucial role in the German war economy.54
50Percentages calculated from figures in USSBS 109, Oil Division Final Report, 23.
51For transportation systems outages, see U.S. Strategic Bombing Survey (European War), USSBS Report 2 (30 Sept. 1945), 64, and Milward, German Economy, 173. Arnold Krammer contends that "the bombing raids destroved the German fuel network not by crippling production but by causing a complete breakdown of transportation" (see Krammer, "Fueling," 418). It is more accurate to say that both effects of the bombing-crippled production combined with transportation breakdown-contributed to the downfall of the industry. Krammer himself admits, for instance, that high-octane fuel production fell because of production losses brought on by the bombing, and Bütefisch claimed that "the actual bombing of the [synthetic oil] plants was far more important" than transportation outages. (See BIOS 1697, Synthetic Oil Production, 6.) American technicians in Germany after the war estimated that it would take at least a year (until June 1946) to restore synthetic production, because of damage to the plants. See D. M. S. Langworthy to members of the Army-Navy Petroleum Board, 24 May 1945. Records of the War Department General and Special Staffs, CAD 463 (6-1-43), sec. 2, RG 165, NA.
52USSBS 109, Oil Division Final Report, 23.
53Albert Speer, Inside the Third Reich (New York, 1970; Avon books edition, 1971), 446-47.
54USSBS 109, Oil Division Final Report, Table 11, 24.
"Around Dresden" means ''within a distance of about 50 kilometers or more''. In addition to the Leipzig-Halle area, there were (and still are) coal pits in South Brandenburg/North Saxony (Lausitz district) and to the east of Bautzen.in the east part of Germany (roughly around Dresden and Leipzig). That's why the giant Leuna facility was over there.
Lignite from the Ruhr was similarly used to produce synthetic fuel - the Hydrierwerk Wesseling was built.There is lignite in the Ruhr area too, but its critically for Germany stems from metallurgical coal and extensive concentration of heavy industry.