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I do believe all the Bucc would see of a 104 would be the black smoke outta that J79.Be a bit hard for the Bucc to be used as a fighter as it didn't carry any air to air weapons until very late in its life.
On a more objective point, in its element i.e. at very low level, almost nothing could catch the Bucc. On a regular basis the only plane that could catch it on the deck was the F111.
During RED Flag they never got any of our 104's in fact during the last sortie of the 104 at Red Flag they actually told the the defending force direction and time over target and still managed to get in and outNot on the deck. The first Red Flag sorties were a revalation to the US forces facing the Bucc for the first time. F4's and F5's couldn't normally catch them and the A4 didn't have a chance. In Europe the Mirage and F104G normally failed as well.
The Bucc was flown 'clean' having an internal bomb bay and the opposing aircraft hampered by Drop tanks, external missiles ect had a hard time catching them.
Not on the deck. The first Red Flag sorties were a revalation to the US forces facing the Bucc for the first time. F4's and F5's couldn't normally catch them and the A4 didn't have a chance. In Europe the Mirage and F104G normally failed as well.
The Bucc was flown 'clean' having an internal bomb bay and the opposing aircraft hampered by Drop tanks, external missiles ect had a hard time catching them.
Not on the deck. The first Red Flag sorties were a revalation to the US forces facing the Bucc for the first time. F4's and F5's couldn't normally catch them and the A4 didn't have a chance. In Europe the Mirage and F104G normally failed as well.
The Bucc was flown 'clean' having an internal bomb bay and the opposing aircraft hampered by Drop tanks, external missiles ect had a hard time catching them.
Perfect!But the CF-104 wasn't a shady lady. She just worked in a tough neighborhood.
That I find extremely hard to believe..
Okay, I did my research . . .
Quoted from An Illustrated Survey of the West's Modern Fighters, by Doug Richardson, copyright 1984, published by Salamander Books, Ltd., under the heading for the British Aerospace (nee Blackburn) Buccaneer:
"When the USAF F-15 crews first set eyes on the portly lines of the RAF Buccaneer on the flight line at Nellis AFB, Nevada, during a mid 1970's "Red Flag" air-combat excercise, they could not believe their luck. Were the "Limies" really going to take on the brand-new (italics added) F-15 Eagle in a plump, underpowered, subsonic bomber fitted with antediluvian avionics? Those Eagle crews just couldn't wait for the "turkey shoot" to begin. But the first few days of action soon showed that the Buccaneer was a tricky adversary indeed: the RAF aircraft were getting to their targets, but unobserved by the F-15's (italics added). Eventually, a disoriented Buccaneer crew were forced to risk a brief "pop-up" manoeuvre to relocate themselves, and a waiting Eagle obtained a radar lock-on and pounced. As the excercise continued, the Eagles did mange to "kill" more Buccaneers, but this veteran design had shown its capabilities in no uncertain terms."
The F-15 is one of my favorite aircraft ever, and you can't argue with a better than 100-to-0 kill ratio, but there is obviously a little hubris involved here when the cocky Americans thought the Bucc would be an "easy kill".
I'll include this little blurb and then you can comment on the range etc
Unhke most fighters, the 104's range didn't suffer greatly at low altitude. Carrying one bomb, a strike pilot could fly 400 miles, littering the countryside with fuel tanks as they emptied. The photo pod slung under the belly of the recce aircraft looked rather lumpy but was nicely streamlined and caused little drag. The attack conversion was not as successful because external fuel tanks couldn't be carried, the pylons had bombs or rockets. We lost a little more fuel when the Vulcan cannon -was installed, replacing a small fuel cell.
The thing was fast at 940k you'd probably have about 5 minutes fuel I believe it held the lo level speed record at around 1200knots. Now for my article on the 104 at Red Flag940 knots at sea level?
With bombs?
The Starfighter?