Udet- Germany really did not intend to Invade UK ever.

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I too have learned nothing from him because of one simple fact and I think this is something that everyone else in this forum minus a few will agree 100% with and that is the reason I choose not to listen to what he says is because of the way he talks to people. He talks down to them as if he is on a pedistal. I really dont like stuck up people. Take it for what it is worth.

Basically I enjoy talking to people on a human level, and that does not happen with Udet. He thinks he is better than everyone. Its easy to do over the internet.
 


Wel I know you are not a ugly girl, you are a guy, otherwise you could of gotten away with that to. With that British accent are you also alittle light in the loafers.

just kidding with you man

Udet does make you think, might not agree with him, but he does make you think.
 
It does not matter whether he makes you think or not, its the way he talks to you. I have told him over and over again that I think that many of his posts (not all of them) were good posts that do get the convo going and get you thinking, but it does not matter when he talks down to everyone. That is the main reason why most people do not like talking to him.
 


I think that admitting that he does have some good ideas and good points if half the battle. If a person just discounts everything he says then yes he will get annoyed (as I would also) and maybe his tone might digress. But if a person would give him alittle credit (like I have before) and admit that some of his points are valid then he seems fine to me. I have disagreed many times with him and he and I talk / debate points back and forth and he never talks to me that way, I have respect for him and I think he has respect for me. We disagree some but thats cool.

But I see people being disrespectful to each other all the time here, it seems to be important who likes you here. If certain people don't like you here..... well lets just say its my opinion that you don't get as much slack given to you as some get around here.

Chris you seem like a good guy, we have talked before in PM and I think you know me alittle better than everyone else here. I think you should realize that I am not trying to be disrespectful of you or any-other Moderator here, but I am just saying what I see around here. Some people say outrageous things and get nothing, no warning nothing. Just seems alittle clicky sometimes, either you carry the line so to speak here or you get treated like a second class person, people are allowed to abuse you and get away with it. If Udet said the things to other people that they say to him, damn he would have 2 or 3 warnings right now.

Again I am not trying to be disrespectful or rude or anything else just speaking my mind. You can tell me I am full of it or whatever else, give me warning if you want, but I feel I speak the truth as i see it.

But I ask this to you and any or all other Moderators here. Is this a forum where we all can speak our minds (in a respectful way) whatever we feel and believe so we all can learn hopefully something new (we don't have to all agree) or is this a forum where it is expected that you agree with the norm or get chased out of here?

You seem very fair person, i think you like different peoples opinions but if we treat people with different opinions like second class people we will chase them all out of here. Then all we are going to have is a bunch of people with the same outlooks, same ideas, same opinions and that would be very boring.

If people think Udet is being rude then just ignore him until he changes his tone. But lets not chance him away just b/c we (not including me here) don't like him. I feel he has great points, he more than any other person here has made me do more research on the subjects we have chatted about. Thats a good thing, he is making me learn more, I say we need more people like him on this forum.

But like I say I am just one person, so burn me, warn me, do whatever you want to me as Moderators (or anyone else) but everything here I have said I want everyone to know, I say it with respect, with the intent only to make this forum (that we all belong to) a better place to chat and learn.

Sincerly Mark
 
DerAdlerIstGelandet said:
The problem is he comes off from that from the beginning of a conversation. He has been here awhile, I know.
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Not sure what to say, yes I have seen him that way to but most times that I have seen it, people have first egged him on with their insulting tone with him. You can't be surprised when I person responds to being egged on. He has never talked to me rudely, but I listen to his points, challenge them, but I never just discount them off handedly.

I am not saying you are like that but some here are, maybe its the whole thing about some people just rub a person the wrong way. Maybe thats why you don't really like him that much. Not sure.

But thank-you for not responding to me with anger over my last post, I am and was just trying to make this forum better place to chat and exchange knowledge on a subject that we all love even if we don't all agree or see everything the same way.

Again, sincerly, Mark
 
You see, when he first got to this website, people did not respond to him that way. But after 20 or so posts of him coming off that way, people started doing the same and in now it is just normal.

Nobody comes to this forum and is outright rejected from the beginning unless they come right in on there first post and say something really really really dumb.
 

It seems as soon as some people see a post from Udet that they just roll their eyes (with even thinking, I mean really thinking about what he has said) and try and pick apart and disprove every thing he has to say.

When I read what people post I do the opposite, I try to see the truth or validity in what they are saying, if I see none then I respond and try and make them see what I believe. Sometimes I am right and sometimes I am wrong but I try and be open minded. I feel most here are close minded to his posts and any ideas that are not the norm.

But I am sure you are getting tired of this subject so I will stop, I just wanted to say my thoughts and you have listened. Thank you for your time. I hope I have not offended anyone here, that was not my intent.
 
350,000 were in the BEF, lanc. And Germany invaded France with 3.3 million.
 

You seem to be a very fair and conciliatory person. I am just like that, when exchanging posts with people, I try to see the reasoning in the post, and not dismiss the post out-of-hand, because of my personal opinion (if I have one) on the poster (not that I'm saying that it's happening here).

Have you considered moderating a forum? I'm sure you would excel at it.

Do you know of any forum (from official agencies or somewhere else) where moderators get paid? Lord knows they deserve it.

Best Regards
 

thank you for the complient. No I never have before been a Mod, just many many years of Management in business and dealing with people and their personal problems. I rarely am a person that is one extreme on a subject, I walk the line (As Johnny Cash would say).

In life, I have found, rarely is anything black and white just many shades of grey.

thank you again, Mark
 
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