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As for the Vulcan Cannon and Colt Mk.4: As I follow it
- The 0.60" used a 20mm casing necked down, and possibly shortened
- The Colt Mk-4 and Vulcan were then necked back to 20mm with the shortened casing and redesigned bullet shape?
The USAF seemed to have a penchant for the high performance, envelope-pushing approach while the Navy seemed to lean toward the practical and reliable.It's fascinating how the USAF retained an interest in the 0.60" to a varying degree (the bomber generals seemed to grasp the 20mm's potential; the M61 Vulcan was designed around the 0.60 at first) until about 1952, while the USN pretty quickly settled on the 20mm.
There is some truth to that, however there's no shame in pursuing practical and reliable. The gatling gun is advanced enough...The USAF seemed to have a penchant for the high performance, envelope-pushing approach while the Navy seemed to lean toward the practical and reliable.
Actually the Vulcan started with 0.60...Some of the advantages of the high velocity .60 round in air combat could be matched by the lower performance 20MM simply by drastically increasing its rate of fire.
I realize that, however it didn't continue, did it?Actually the Vulcan started with 0.60...
True, but my point is why they started with that arrangement: There were already some people between 1946 and 1949 that were advocating for 20mm cannonI realize that, however it didn't continue, did it?
Ever hear of technological risk, where a great ground-breaking idea depends on too many undeveloped technical details that have a way of not shaping up as planned?True, but my point is why they started with that arrangement: There were already some people between 1946 and 1949 that were advocating for 20mm cannon
The first M1 Garand was developed in a .270 cartridge and might have been a better round for WWII, but Mc Arthur, Army Chief of Staff vetoed the idea as millions of 30.06 rounds were still in stores after WWI.
The cartridge follies continue to these days.
Yes, but the 20mm was already in use whereas the 15mm/0.60" was quite new. Maybe it's because the generals who were advocating for the 15mm/20mm seemed to be bomber generals might have played a role. I figure 20mm is a better option as it's more bang for your buck, the accuracy at typical firing ranges is close enough, and refire rate, while a little slower, doesn't really make too much of a difference as each round does 3-4 times more damage per shot.Ever hear of technological risk
Really? IIRC, the projectile mass of the 15MM was nearly the same as the 20 used in the Vulcan, and it had way more velocity, making for equivalent or greater impact damage.I figure 20mm is a better option as it's more bang for your buck, the accuracy at typical firing ranges is close enough, and refire rate, while a little slower, doesn't really make too much of a difference as each round does 3-4 times more damage per shot.
I based the figures on the 0.50, I have no idea of the mass of the 0.60 compared to either the 0.50 or 20mm. If you have those figures, I wouldn't mind having them...Really?
I believe if you look back through ShortRound6's posts you'll find them. Do your homework.I based the figures on the 0.50, I have no idea of the mass of the 0.60 compared to either the 0.50 or 20mm. If you have those figures, I wouldn't mind having them...
Out of curiosity, what disadvantages come with high velocity?Shortround6 said:The US Army (or ordnance) had an obsession with high velocity.
The MG151 didn't have the velocity of the T17, but the point is that the Germans weren't happy with the MG151 and necked it up.The German MG 151/20 wasn't anywhere near the velocity they were looking for.
Large guns.Out of curiosity, what disadvantages come with high velocity?
The MG151 didn't have the velocity of the T17, but the point is that the Germans weren't happy with the MG151 and necked it up.
They favored the muzzle velocity that much eh?The 1944 Joint Fighter Conference indicates a lot of interest in the .60 as the gun of the future though the effectiveness of the 20 mm was praised as being maybe 4X better than the 50 BMG.
And the guns have to be big because of the higher chamber pressures, and the heavier ammo is the gunpowder?Large guns. Heavy ammo. Very short barrel life.
The 0.60 had that kind of demands on it?US Pilots were advised to fire only 75 rounds through a cold barrel before stopping to let it cool and only about 25 rounds per minute after that.
We didn't know this by 1944?The Germans traded the hitting advantage of the 15mm cartridge for the greater destructive ability of the heavier projectiles. They changed course.
And the guns have to be big because of the higher chamber pressures, and the heavier ammo is the gunpowder?
No, the US .50 had those restrictions, at least in early manuals. the .60 would have been worse.The 0.60 had that kind of demands on it?