VF-2 F4F-3 "F-5"

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BuNo02100

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Apr 17, 2014
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Sorry for this wall of text, but the F4F-3 found this week (along with the other aircraft) is one of my primary areas of research, or at least an off-shoot of it. I mainly work with Marine Aviation records for the early war years with a focus on F4F operations, but the overlap often allows me to indulge. Hopefully some of what I am posting will help others in the future as they try to unravel some of the questions they may have about the aircraft recently discovered. The information I have gathered over the years from the various archives in the D.C. area help supplement the seminal work by John B. Lundstrom covering naval fighter activities for the first six months of WW2.

For fans of early-war US naval aviation, the news of the discovery of the wreck of the U.S.S. Lexington (CV-2) was some of the most exciting news since the discovery of the U.S.S. Yorktown (CV-5) almost 20 years earlier. Not only had the remains of the carrier been located, but no less than 11 of her aircraft were found as well. The crystal clear images that soon started flooding our computer monitors and overwhelming many of us was almost too good to be true. Unlike aircraft aboard the three American carriers that took part in the Battle of Midway a month later, the aircraft aboard Lexington during the Battle of the Coral Sea were not as well documented. Photographic evidence was scarce, consisting primarily of long distance shots or poorly lit and exposed photographs that provided little in the way of detail. Due to this, historians, artists, modelers and enthusiasts were forced to rely on their own judgement and often faulty research when it came to depicting how aircraft from Lexington's Air Group appeared during the desperate battle.

Part of the confusion as to how the aircraft appeared stems from the change in markings that were occurring at that time. Regulations related to markings are taken as gospel by some as to how an aircraft appeared at a specific moment in time, while others understand that is not always the case. Photos taken shortly before the attack on Pearl Harbor and early war photos of aircraft assigned to Lexington clearly demonstrate how her aircraft appeared at that time. The issue has been further confused by public relations photo shoots that occurred after the battle. One of the more well-known photos is that of Lt(j.g) John Leppla and John Liska, ARM2c from VS-2. This pilot/radio-gunner duo were credited with shooting down 5 enemy aircraft during the Battle of the Coral Sea and the need for photos of heroes to help boost the morale of the public has caused many scale modelers to incorrectly depict their aircraft for over 75 years. Posed with an SBD-3 repainted to look like their assigned aircraft, it carried a full side code (2-S-12), kill markings and the squadron insignia.

So, about that F4F-3. Photos of this aircraft literally took my breath away. Prior to their posting on the internet, I was somewhat sure of how most of the aircraft aboard Lexington were supposed to look. A short movie clip that is often included in documentaries, but wrongly attributed and not associated with the Battle of the Coral Sea shows VB-2's SBD-3s with black side codes. I really hope we get a glimpse at a VB-2 SBD-3. Photos of VS-2 SBDs have been around for a while and indicate they carried white side codes, same thing for VT-2 and their TBDs. The removal of the squadron number was also a given, and not surprising since these three squadrons had been active participants in the combat zone and that had been one of the first markings associated with the pre-war regulations to go for security reasons. But that F4F-3, I would have never have imagined it was still carrying the markings of VF-3.

The fact that Lt Noel A. M. Gayler had been transferred to VF-2 before the battle has no bearing on the fact that the aircraft he was assigned while with VF-3, most likely for a public relations photo opportunity was the one found on the sea floor. It would not have "followed" him over to VF-2. Aviators flew what aircraft was available, not the one assigned to them in the squadron files for organizational purposes. Attempting to state that Gayler flew this aircraft on every mission in which his record was displayed on the fuselage would be irresponsible at best. I have not seen anyone state that, but some folks may not know how it seems to have worked back then. We may never know if he actually ever flew this specific aircraft for a couple of reasons. The only thing that we can state, at this time, is that his name and record was applied to this aircraft. I understand the desire to tie a specific aircraft to a specific aviator, I attempt it all the time in my own research and work. But that has demonstrated to me time and time again that very few navy or Marine aviators flew the same or their assigned aircraft on a regular basis in the early part of the war which is my primary subject area. Stating that Gayler flew this specific aircraft on the missions he had recorded on the fuselage of "F-5" clouds the historical record and will result in errors by others at a later date, regardless of their discipline, be it scale modeling or illustrator. To further confuse the issue, we know that the F4F-3 that was marked as "F-5" and assigned to VF-3 during February 1942 was lost 4 March 1942 as it was being ferried over to VF-42. I know that it has been posted elsewhere that it is BuNo 4009, which carried the side code "F-5" for a while, but it is not the F4F-3 marked "F-5" sitting on the bottom of the Coral Sea today. Until we know whether photos of the vertical stab and rudder were taken, we may never know the exact Bureau Number of this aircraft, only a range based upon the official navy loss list, aircraft history cards, and characteristics of the aircraft itself. Further adding to the possible confusion is that the induvial aircraft number (5) appears to be applied over then fresh paint covering up its previous number.

So why does an aircraft assigned to VF-2 carry markings from VF-3? Time and necessity. When the war started, VF-2 was still flying the Brewster F2A-3, the only navy squadron still saddled with the type. In order to replace the F2As with F4F-3s as quickly as possible and provide a reserve for the other squadrons, the Marine Corps fighter squadrons were stripped of their F4F-3s and VF-2 was put ashore in Hawaii to train on the new type after they arrived. While they were ashore, VF-3 took their place (and glory) when Lexington was in the South Pacific. When Lexington returned to Pearl Harbor, VF-2 resumed its place in the Lexington Air Group but several events occurred before they made their way to the Coral Sea.

When VF-2 was assigned F4F-3s, they received the F4F-3A model. Equipped with a Pratt and Whitney R-1830-90 engine and single stage supercharger, these aircraft had been ordered by Greece but taken over by the navy when that country was overrun by Nazi Germany in 1941. Lacking the higher altitude performance of the F4F-3s equipped with the R-1830-76/86 with two-stage superchargers, it was considered inferior to the standard F4F-3. When VF-3 returned to Hawaii in April, they turned in their F4F-3s and received new F4F-4s. The F4F-3s previously assigned to VF-3 were then transferred to VMF-212 which was preparing to deploy to the South Pacific and was still flying F2A-3s. Just two/three days after receiving the F4F-3s from VF-3 though, VMF-212 was ordered to swap with VF-2 so the navy squadron would have the better aircraft.

Assigned to VMF-212 for only a few days, there was not enough time to repaint the markings on the aircraft. With the need to get underway, the few days VF-2 had after receiving the F4F-3s from VMF-212 resulted in at least one F4F-3 still wearing its VF-3 markings. Were all of them still carrying these markings, I can not say and proposing it would only be a guess, albeit a good one. For those that are interested, VMF-212 took several F4F-3As to the South Pacific (New Caledonia and then to Efate to be exact) still wearing VF-2 markings. How's that for confusion?

I am looking forward, as are many of you to more photos and if the BuNo of "F-5" can be verified, the possibility exists that we can then start matching up its actual war record. Good times my friends.
Respectfully,
Brandon S. Wood
 
Sorry for this wall of text, but the F4F-3 found this week (along with the other aircraft) is one of my primary areas of research, or at least an off-shoot of it. I mainly work with Marine Aviation records for the early war years with a focus on F4F operations, but the overlap often allows me to indulge. Hopefully some of what I am posting will help others in the future as they try to unravel some of the questions they may have about the aircraft recently discovered. The information I have gathered over the years from the various archives in the D.C. area help supplement the seminal work by John B. Lundstrom covering naval fighter activities for the first six months of WW2.

For fans of early-war US naval aviation, the news of the discovery of the wreck of the U.S.S. Lexington (CV-2) was some of the most exciting news since the discovery of the U.S.S. Yorktown (CV-5) almost 20 years earlier. Not only had the remains of the carrier been located, but no less than 11 of her aircraft were found as well. The crystal clear images that soon started flooding our computer monitors and overwhelming many of us was almost too good to be true. Unlike aircraft aboard the three American carriers that took part in the Battle of Midway a month later, the aircraft aboard Lexington during the Battle of the Coral Sea were not as well documented. Photographic evidence was scarce, consisting primarily of long distance shots or poorly lit and exposed photographs that provided little in the way of detail. Due to this, historians, artists, modelers and enthusiasts were forced to rely on their own judgement and often faulty research when it came to depicting how aircraft from Lexington's Air Group appeared during the desperate battle.

Part of the confusion as to how the aircraft appeared stems from the change in markings that were occurring at that time. Regulations related to markings are taken as gospel by some as to how an aircraft appeared at a specific moment in time, while others understand that is not always the case. Photos taken shortly before the attack on Pearl Harbor and early war photos of aircraft assigned to Lexington clearly demonstrate how her aircraft appeared at that time. The issue has been further confused by public relations photo shoots that occurred after the battle. One of the more well-known photos is that of Lt(j.g) John Leppla and John Liska, ARM2c from VS-2. This pilot/radio-gunner duo were credited with shooting down 5 enemy aircraft during the Battle of the Coral Sea and the need for photos of heroes to help boost the morale of the public has caused many scale modelers to incorrectly depict their aircraft for over 75 years. Posed with an SBD-3 repainted to look like their assigned aircraft, it carried a full side code (2-S-12), kill markings and the squadron insignia.

So, about that F4F-3. Photos of this aircraft literally took my breath away. Prior to their posting on the internet, I was somewhat sure of how most of the aircraft aboard Lexington were supposed to look. A short movie clip that is often included in documentaries, but wrongly attributed and not associated with the Battle of the Coral Sea shows VB-2's SBD-3s with black side codes. I really hope we get a glimpse at a VB-2 SBD-3. Photos of VS-2 SBDs have been around for a while and indicate they carried white side codes, same thing for VT-2 and their TBDs. The removal of the squadron number was also a given, and not surprising since these three squadrons had been active participants in the combat zone and that had been one of the first markings associated with the pre-war regulations to go for security reasons. But that F4F-3, I would have never have imagined it was still carrying the markings of VF-3.

The fact that Lt Noel A. M. Gayler had been transferred to VF-2 before the battle has no bearing on the fact that the aircraft he was assigned while with VF-3, most likely for a public relations photo opportunity was the one found on the sea floor. It would not have "followed" him over to VF-2. Aviators flew what aircraft was available, not the one assigned to them in the squadron files for organizational purposes. Attempting to state that Gayler flew this aircraft on every mission in which his record was displayed on the fuselage would be irresponsible at best. I have not seen anyone state that, but some folks may not know how it seems to have worked back then. We may never know if he actually ever flew this specific aircraft for a couple of reasons. The only thing that we can state, at this time, is that his name and record was applied to this aircraft. I understand the desire to tie a specific aircraft to a specific aviator, I attempt it all the time in my own research and work. But that has demonstrated to me time and time again that very few navy or Marine aviators flew the same or their assigned aircraft on a regular basis in the early part of the war which is my primary subject area. Stating that Gayler flew this specific aircraft on the missions he had recorded on the fuselage of "F-5" clouds the historical record and will result in errors by others at a later date, regardless of their discipline, be it scale modeling or illustrator. To further confuse the issue, we know that the F4F-3 that was marked as "F-5" and assigned to VF-3 during February 1942 was lost 4 March 1942 as it was being ferried over to VF-42. I know that it has been posted elsewhere that it is BuNo 4009, which carried the side code "F-5" for a while, but it is not the F4F-3 marked "F-5" sitting on the bottom of the Coral Sea today. Until we know whether photos of the vertical stab and rudder were taken, we may never know the exact Bureau Number of this aircraft, only a range based upon the official navy loss list, aircraft history cards, and characteristics of the aircraft itself. Further adding to the possible confusion is that the induvial aircraft number (5) appears to be applied over then fresh paint covering up its previous number.

So why does an aircraft assigned to VF-2 carry markings from VF-3? Time and necessity. When the war started, VF-2 was still flying the Brewster F2A-3, the only navy squadron still saddled with the type. In order to replace the F2As with F4F-3s as quickly as possible and provide a reserve for the other squadrons, the Marine Corps fighter squadrons were stripped of their F4F-3s and VF-2 was put ashore in Hawaii to train on the new type after they arrived. While they were ashore, VF-3 took their place (and glory) when Lexington was in the South Pacific. When Lexington returned to Pearl Harbor, VF-2 resumed its place in the Lexington Air Group but several events occurred before they made their way to the Coral Sea.

When VF-2 was assigned F4F-3s, they received the F4F-3A model. Equipped with a Pratt and Whitney R-1830-90 engine and single stage supercharger, these aircraft had been ordered by Greece but taken over by the navy when that country was overrun by Nazi Germany in 1941. Lacking the higher altitude performance of the F4F-3s equipped with the R-1830-76/86 with two-stage superchargers, it was considered inferior to the standard F4F-3. When VF-3 returned to Hawaii in April, they turned in their F4F-3s and received new F4F-4s. The F4F-3s previously assigned to VF-3 were then transferred to VMF-212 which was preparing to deploy to the South Pacific and was still flying F2A-3s. Just two/three days after receiving the F4F-3s from VF-3 though, VMF-212 was ordered to swap with VF-2 so the navy squadron would have the better aircraft.

Assigned to VMF-212 for only a few days, there was not enough time to repaint the markings on the aircraft. With the need to get underway, the few days VF-2 had after receiving the F4F-3s from VMF-212 resulted in at least one F4F-3 still wearing its VF-3 markings. Were all of them still carrying these markings, I can not say and proposing it would only be a guess, albeit a good one. For those that are interested, VMF-212 took several F4F-3As to the South Pacific (New Caledonia and then to Efate to be exact) still wearing VF-2 markings. How's that for confusion?

I am looking forward, as are many of you to more photos and if the BuNo of "F-5" can be verified, the possibility exists that we can then start matching up its actual war record. Good times my friends.
Respectfully,
Brandon S. Wood
 
According to The First Team, p. 164 (Fighting Two Pilot Assignments, April 1942), this Wildcat was assigned to Lieut. Albert O. "Scoop" Vorse, my Grandfather.
 
Thank you for joining the discussion!
Your grandfather was most def assigned "F-5" in the squadron organization but I am not sure anyone has been able to find anything so far that would show he flew "F-5" on 8 May 1942 when he was credited with two aerial victories. You may hold the key to that!

BW
 
Thank you for joining the discussion!
Your grandfather was most def assigned "F-5" in the squadron organization but I am not sure anyone has been able to find anything so far that would show he flew "F-5" on 8 May 1942 when he was credited with two aerial victories. You may hold the key to that!

BW
Thanks for the great information. Ironically, we recently received a box from his oldest son containing his awards, etc. I'll look through it all and see what I can find. One thing I know will not be in there....his USNA sword. It went down with the Lex.
 
Just to give some perspective on the topic here.....
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Sounds great, looking forward to learning more.
We went through everything tonight. We have his wings, Navy Cross, pictures of a transfer back to the carrier after being picked up by a destroyer, and a really interesting picture of then Ens. Vorse at a party located at the Naval Club in Tokyo April, 19, 1939. The crazy thing is that then Vice Admiral Yamamato and Vice Admiral Koga are in the front row of the picture along with Vorse. (Yamamoto is in first row 3rd from left, Vorse is in second to last row, second to the left.)
As for a logbook or some other documentation, we will keep looking. Scoop moved to Costa Rica when he retired and passed away in 1978. I doubt we will find it, but I'd like to think that he flew Wildcat F-5 at some point while on the Lex. Very emotional experience for our family and we are now on our third generation of military aviators after Scoop.
 

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February, 1942. Is this Wildcat F-5 from VF-2 in flight?
Although this photo has been captioned as a VF-2 aircraft for years, I don't think that it is. It could be, but there are a couple of things I would like to point out. First and foremost, the caption on the photo that you posted, which appears to be the original caption, contains a pretty big clue. The identifier at the lower left is "FAPUA" which stands for Fleet Air Photographic Unit Atlantic. During the relatively short time that VF-2 operated the F4F-3, they were in Hawaii and aboard Lex so it would be virtually impossible for the East Coast photo unit to get a photo of one of their birds. If this was the original and not one that was copied and printed then i would have to say that it is most definitely not a VF-2 aircraft.

The caption also incorrectly identifies the aircraft as an F4F-4 but it is clearly a F4F-3A based upon the 4 gun (two per wing) armament, the single cowl flap, long straight pitot tube on the port wing, external air scoop and additional windscreen bracing. Each of those traits are only found on the F4F-3 model and more specifically the F4F-3A.

VF-2 did operate F4F-3As for a period of time before they swapped with VMF-212, so this could be a photo of a VF-2 bird if the original was taken in Hawaii and then distributed to other commands for identification purposes. Unless another original can be found with additional information, I would have to lean towards it NOT being a VF-2 aircraft. Now a word of caution, captions are not always 100% correct. This one serves a good example. Now if it had a side code that read "2-F-5" there would be little doubt! But I would lean towards it being assigned to VF-5, Yorktown's original VF squadron which was replaced by VF-42 as VF-5 traded in their F3F-3 bi-planes for F4F-3As. They remained on the east coast for the first few months of the war before finally making it to Pearl Harbor right before Midway but after Yorktown had sailed.
 
To all of you contributing to this thread, I am so impressed with the historical detail. I see a couple interesting tidbits of data that appear to also relate to Edward "Butch O'Hare. He was also part of VF-3, in this time-frame I believe, as he was also stationed on "the Lex". I have numerous photos I took of the memorial F4F-3 replica of his aircraft in Terminal 2 at O'Har airport. I intend to build a scale model of his aircraft, and I was searching for differences between F4F-3 vs F4F-4. This thread has given me hope and a start.
 
Yes, one of the things I enjoy about Lundstrom's books is the detail about the individual pilots and planes. Small Navy at that point!
 
According to The First Team, p. 164 (Fighting Two Pilot Assignments, April 1942), this Wildcat was assigned to Lieut. Albert O. "Scoop" Vorse, my Grandfather.

Is your grandfather the same Vorse of VF-80 fame in 1944-45?
 

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