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delcyros said:But back to the turning datas. Soren, you still failed to provide own datas about it.
The slats are described but in howfar do they work? We need datas to compare them.
200 mp/h are not that bad for a Fw-190 to turn sustainably.
Actually I have these numbers from a Rechlin test (Fw-190A). If there is something wrong with them I would like to know.
Roll data's cannot be calculated exactly by comparing pure data's. We need statistics about different speeds and altitudes for them.
No, I haven´t read Lercher´s book (yet). Does he provide more datas or just subjective experiences of the turning datas?
I don´t want to know in detail about the slats, it´s airflow principle is known to me. I just want to know if there are any datas to confirm this?
E.g. a comparison between a Bf-109E with working slats and with fixed slats. There should be differences in the turning performances. If you have datas, I suggest to post them.
The Bf-109E would always turn inside the Fw-190.
If you check the turning data's you will find this confirmed. While the turnrate is close to each other (keep in mind that in this particular test the slats of the Bf-109E are not fully deployed, thus are reducing the Bf-109E´s performance a bit), the turning diameter of the Fw-190A-4 is much larger thanks to it´s higher speed at turning. The difference is quite big.
Could be that there is some miscommunication ?
Slats: you (again and again and...) describe how they work. Ok. What I want to know is how far makes this a difference, in numbers (e.g. take a bf-109 with slats in working condition and those which are (arteficially) fixed and compare the turning datas: turning speed in sec., stall speed, turning diameter and so on.
Of course there is no additional drag if the slats are n ot deployed, they disappear in the leading wing surface. But they produce beside of lift a specific amount of drag if they are deployed, and that´s what I want to know.
I know that there have been tests with these automatic slats in bf-108 planes, but while the wing is almost the same, you cannot compare the bf-108 with the bf-109, there is lot of differences in the performances.
The sources for bf-109 E is the RAF comparison flight between Hurricane and bf-109E in 1940. You will find this document if you run www.lanpartywolrd.com/ww2/files and search for aircraft comparsison files.
25-26 sec. is quite high for a Fw-190A4. The A-8 comes close to this (24.5 sec at 218 mp/h after my sources) but the A-4? The Rechlin tests show me a differnet figure for it.