Agreed the Mig-15 along with the Sabre were 2nd Generation Jets. The Me-262, P-80, Meteor, etc. are all 1st Generation.
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wmaxt said:My feeling is that first generation jets are
1. Straight wing
2. Operate within the flight envelope of piston fighters
3. basicaly a piston design with mods
4. Not totaly reliable
The best example of a first gen jet is the P-59.
As I think about it Second generation jet fighters should include any aircraft that
1. Exceeds the Piston engined aircraft flight envelope (540mph)
2. Designed as a jet fighter from the start
3. not able to go supersonic
Planes in this grouping include
Me-262
P-80
F-94
F9f Panther
Mig 15
Third Generation can exceed the Speed of sound (if so desired bassed on mission)
F-86 Sabre
Lightning
F-100 - 106
Hawker Hunter
F-4
Fourth Generation
F-15 The F-15 is actualy the last of the conventional control aircraft so could be, on that point considered 3rd gen.
F-16
F-18
Jaguar
Fifth Generation
F-22 Rapter
Rafael
F-35
I have no idea where to place aircraft like the Harrier and the SR-71.
Thats how I think of the divisions. Opinions, what have I left out or placed wrong? This was a quick list, examples only, omissions were not intentional.
wmaxt
DerAdlerIstGelandet said:Ill agree with FBJ and I would classify the Mig-15 and the Sabre into the 2nd Generation with the WW2 jets all being 1st Generation.
delcyros said:While not officially recorded, there are valid informations underlining that Me-262 could and accidently did reach Mach 1.
DerAdlerIstGelandet said:Yes but lets put it this way, Mirage 2000 is no match for the F-16 but they are still the same generation of Jets. You can not place the Meteor as a different generation of Jet because it was not as good as a Me-262 or P-80. They are still first generation jets. It is just like you said the Volks Jaeger was a 1st Generation and the 262 was a 2nd Generation. The 262 was in development and service before the Salamander.
Thats just my opinion on it.