what kind of plane is this?

Peter Anos · Dec 3, 2020

Sturzkampfflugzeug said:
Planes with canards. What is the name they are given? Also, what is the plane in the attached image?

Both the Miles M.35 and the Miles M.39B Libellulas were TANDEM WINGED AIRCRAFT, NOT canards. If their designer, George Miles, heard them being called canards he would not have been over impressed!

Admiral Beez · Dec 3, 2020

pbehn said:
I don't know anything other than from wiki "P.12 Lysander Delanne (Unofficially referred to as the Westland Wendover)[24] Adaptation of a Lysander II as a turret fighter, its standard wing retained but with a twin tailed Delanne type rear wing and 4-gun Nash & Thompson power-operated tail gun turret replacing the empennage. It flew well but did not proceeded past trials with turret mock-up.[25]" I was just pointing out that not all of these planes are "canard" designs, tandem wings and Delanne wings are similar but different.

You have to think that instead of pursuing these nutty concepts, the FAA would have been better off just making the very best conventional aircraft possible. A single seat, single engine, Merlin-powered, wide-track, folding wing, eight-gun, bomb-capable long-range, >330 mph fighter. Make that first, and then you can play with what is clearly surplus time and money.

pbehn · Dec 3, 2020

Admiral Beez said:
You have to think that instead of pursuing these nutty concepts, the FAA would have been better off just making the very best conventional aircraft possible. A single seat, single engine, Merlin-powered, wide-track, folding wing, eight-gun, bomb-capable long-range, >330 mph fighter. Make that first, and then you can play with what is clearly surplus time and money.

Well they didn't pursue these concepts, but that's all they were looking at "concepts". As I understand it, just from looking at the Wiki articles both types were merely for research into formats with an eye on the jet age. They only had 140HP engines and so could just to say get in the air.

Admiral Beez · Dec 3, 2020

Peter Anos said:
Both the Miles M.35 and the Miles M.39B Libellulas were TANDEM WINGED AIRCRAFT, NOT canards. If their designer, George Miles, heard them being called canards he would not have been over impressed!

Sounds like a biplane to me. Who's to say two wings must be stacked?

Sturzkampfflugzeug · Dec 4, 2020

Peter Anos said:
Both the Miles M.35 and the Miles M.39B Libellulas were TANDEM WINGED AIRCRAFT, NOT canards. If their designer, George Miles, heard them being called canards he would not have been over impressed!

They have near same design. Frontally mounted, short wings

swampyankee · Dec 4, 2020

The difference is that a canardd is primarily a stabilizing surface, while the front wing on a tandem wing aircraft supports something around half the aircraft's weight. (Originally posted before I was completely awake)

SaparotRob · Dec 4, 2020

Admiral Beez said:
Sounds like a biplane to me. Who's to say two wings must be stacked?

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Cool looking airplane. Any idea of how badly the pilot's view might have been restricted?

Sturzkampfflugzeug · Dec 4, 2020

SaparotRob said:
Cool looking airplane. Any idea of how badly the pilot's view might have been restricted?

Most restricted from the rear. Most likely very uncomfortable. Doesnt seem to let you have a good lower view either

SaparotRob · Dec 4, 2020

That's what I thought. Restricted view landing? Seems easy to sneak up to from behind.

SaparotRob · Dec 4, 2020

Could the lack of canards on most aircraft be due to obstruction of forward vision?

Sturzkampfflugzeug · Dec 4, 2020

SaparotRob said:
Could the lack of canards on most aircraft be due to obstruction of forward vision?

Canard's dont often block vision too much. Take modern canard aircraft. They can fly easily with the canards and not worry. It's the canard size that matters, though

swampyankee · Dec 4, 2020

Admiral Beez said:
Sounds like a biplane to me. Who's to say two wings must be stacked?

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Well, Sorceress does have a bit of negative stagger.....I'm guessing there's a bit of ground effect on landing, too.

what kind of plane is this?

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