What of the Republic P-47 Turbo-Supercharger

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Unless you can get original documents or get the museum that has it on display to weigh their display I doubt you will find the weight for the "system".
Weight for component parts may be available but the weight of the exhaust pipes and air ducts may be much harder to come by. Ducting that will withstand air pressure with a difference between inside and outside pressures of over double is going to be heavier than the air ducts in a building
 
Thanks for the detailed explanation. For some reason I always thought that it was only the 2nd stage that was "2-speed" and that the 1st stage was at one constant ratio to engine RPM. Good to learn the difference.
 
Thanks for the detailed explanation. For some reason I always thought that it was only the 2nd stage that was "2-speed" and that the 1st stage was at one constant ratio to engine RPM. Good to learn the difference.
For the RR and some (?most?) of the German 2 stage speeds, the 2 impellers are on the same shaft, so both turn the same speed.

But Pratt & Whitney R-1830 & 2800, the 1st stage is constant ratio, while the 2nd stage has 2 speeds. Although, I really think of it as 3 speeds - neutral, low & high. Which IMHO makes the P&W radials better carrier engines - the engine isn't "fighting" against a supercharger trying to maintain some level of boost at 10k' or more but rather freewheeling. So, minor throttle movements don't result in the major power changes that happen when both impellers are on the same shaft.
 
That's the weights of just the turbosuperchargers, they don't include the ducting and all of the rest of the items that make up the P-47 turbocharger system.
In Francis Dean's 1997 book "America's Hundred-Thousand U.S. Fighter Production of WWII", P-47 Empty and Basic Weights: ENGINE 2283 lbs. ENGINE ACCESSORIES 977 lbs. Not clear what engine accessories exactly are, but gets a better idea. Could include oil coolers. Two other categories are ENGINE SECTION 383 lbs. and ENGINE CONTROLS 58 lbs. COOLING category is left blank as I interpret this as being part of the above categories.
 
Dumb question, could they make the P-47 without the turbo?
I don't mean a large redesign, just someone proposing to ditch the big and expensive thing since most missions were becoming lower altitude ground attack ones.
Maybe add more armor in place of it to balance the CG.
 

We still end up with big, heavy and expensive P-47, that has less power.
 

We can always ask the Soviets to help out
They list total weight of turbocharger (107 kg) + weight of tubing + weight of intercooler (=273 kg) at 380/385 kg (with/without regulators?).



 
Didn't the Corsair use the same engine as the P-47 but lacking a turbosupercharger?

Corsair used the 2-stage supercharged R-2800. Impellers of both supercharger stages were driven by engine itself.
P-47 used the 1-stage supercharged version, the addition of turbocharger meant that number of compression stages was also two. After everything is said and done, engine on the P-47 made better power at altitude, while the engine on the Corsair required less volume to be devoted to it, so the resulting A/C was shorter and lighter.
 
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From an old thread showing the P-47 from the engine back.

The engine from the single single stage is going to have just a few thousands of altitude and a lot less power at even 10,000ft.
How much damage could this take?
I'd assume any hits in the plumbing or the intercooler would cause a massive loss of boost or maybe even a turbine failure.
But the p-47 has a reputation as a tough prick (confirmed in IL-2, you can't take that plane down on anything smaller than 20mm)
 
The plumbing is a large target, a few holes would seriously effect boost, the supercharger impeller would explode if a couple of 20mm AP rounds hit it, the P47 is a big target full of important stuff.
 

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