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The lack of modern radar played probably the most significant role in the confusion. It is interesting to see how many technological advances were made so quickly. Fleets of ships trying to gauge enemy fleets with constant disinformation. The Americans had the advantage of a better plan for combing the seas with a/c then the Japanese; for some reason the Japanese did not adhere strictly to a coordinated grid search and it cost them dearly in ships.Michael, if you can, do yourself a favor and get copies of Lundstrom's books. They address the issues we are discussing here as well,IMO, as they have ever been addressed. I only wish that he would follow through and get into early 1943. My impression is that the IJN were even more enthusiastic in overclaiming than the USN pilots. But the intersting point is, and you alluded to it is that neither side in 1942 had very many AC, at least not by ETO standards. The actual number of kills by USN Wildcats over IJN Zekes and vice versa was very small, somewhere around thirty each but regardless it was pretty even. Both sides labored under tremendous handicaps, shortages, breakdowns, bad intelligence, poor weather forecasting and in the case of the land based elements, poor food and living conditons and hygeine.
I have wondered for quite some time what it was about the Wildcat that made it such a poor performer in the Pacific Theatre. The F6F was a very similar design (essentially an F4F scaled up in size and power), and was the most numerically successful aircraft in the history of the US military.
So I came up with a few rudimentary thoughts and since you lot know more about this stuff than I do and seem tolerant enough to put up with an aircraft novice who thinks outside the box, and comes up with crazy ideas, I'll share them.
Claire Chennault learned that the Japanese airplanes and tactics were vulnerable to climb and dive tactics by American planes. The F4F would be ideally suited if it weren't for one thing: its climb rate was a joke, or would have been if it wasn't terribly unfunny.
The Zero's climb rate wasn't to be matched by any American plane but with a head start a good plane could enough altitude to outdive it and disengage if in trouble. With the F4F-4 I think you'd need an hour.
Here are two features that I think could have been included in the design to make it a specialist in the field of vertical fighting.
1. Wider eliptical wings for more lift and wing surface without making it more difficult to pack into escort carriers. Level top speed would not be helped but since it was a brick, it would still dive fast and be far more maneuverable in a dive than the Zero, plus it would be able to climb effectively and turning might well be better as well.
2. Just at a glance, the prop on the F4F looks tiny. I think a 4 or 5 blade prop with big fat air-eating blades would take better advantage of the 1200 HP offered by the Twin Wasp. Perhaps landing gear would have to be lengthened to accomodate it.
Additionally, I think a 4-Gun 1000 round weapons loading was best load for that model, even if you needed to give the pilots extra time in gunnery school blasting targets. Including extra guns at the cost of ammunition gives arguably very limited advantage anyway, but considering the increase in weight I think it's unjustifiable.
Were they mostly fighting Oscars then?As earlier stated the Wildcat was at least as good a climber as the P40 and the early F4F3 and Late FM2 were better climbers. The P40s of the Flying Tigers under Claire Chennault did not have to compete against the IJN and A6Ms.
Were they mostly fighting Oscars then?
The AVG fought the Ki-43s' mostly but did engage the "zero" also. Claire Chenault was the one to first report the capabilities of the A6M.
I understand that Chenault got much of his info from seeing a crashed A6M. EriK Shilling claims that the AVG did engage the Zero fighters. I am looking for his "proof" though.I think you'll find that is more or less a myth. Check into where the A6M was deployed during late 1941 and early 1942, I don't think you'll find any were land based in Burma.
Chenault's reports were based on early Zero deployment and engagements between the USSR and Japanese as well as Chinese units along the Manchurian frontier.
Also there are those including Dan Ford, a frequent visitor on
this net, who say the AVG never fought the Zero. I believe I have
undisputable proof that we did, but will also post this information
in a sperate posting.
Regards,
Erik
Several AVG pilots mis-identifed Oscars as Zeros on more than one occasion. I don't know about Chenault seeing a crashed Zero, if he did it was not attained over Burma. According to my sources, when the Japanese deployed 15 Zeros over China, not one was shot down.I understand that Chenault got much of his info from seeing a crashed A6M. EriK Shilling claims that the AVG did engage the Zero fighters. I am looking for his "proof" though.
Very interesting read - I would of been more accurate to say not one was lost to air-to-air combat.Hi Flyboyj,
>According to my sources, when the Japanese deployed 15 Zeros over China, not one was shot down.
Are you aware of "Neumann's Zero"?
Zeros over China, 1941-1942
Regards,
Henning (HoHun)
F4F and Zero numbers were generally comparable in their 1942 combats, which were pretty extensive in a fair variety of tactical situations. Pilots are obviously always a big variable, the problem is always *quantifying* that variable, rather than just using it as a fudge factor when analysis of simple stats gives the 'wrong' answer (as it notably tends to do with the F4F's combat record compared to its simple performance stats).
LT John Thach
In connection with the performance of the Zero fighter, any success we
had against the Zero is not due to performance of the plane we fly, but is
the result of the comparatively poor marksmanship on the part of the
Japanese stupid mistakes by a few of their pilots and superior
marksmanship and teamwork on the part of some of our pilots...