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They should have sent him to Malaya.Dont underestimate personal hostility and petty bitterness. Just about the entire Air Ministry absolutely hated Fedden on a personal basis, he was very rude, stubborn and abrasive and loathed administrators. It wasnt enough that the firm sacked him, the Ministry then got him out the country by sending him off to America on the "Fedden Mission" to look at US industrial practises, which, whilst useful - is hardly a realistic use for one of Britains greatest aero engine designers. They wanted rid of him, and would do almost anything to ensure he was out of their hair.
Google "Harley Davidson oil sumping issues" and "Harley Davidson Oil Transfer issues". Both in recent engine developments.Where did Sir Frank Whittle go to live after the war? And von Ohain came to live about 20 miles from where I am now.
For that matter. Martin quit building airplanes because after the B-51 was rejected in favor of the Canberra he was told there was no way they would ever buy one of his designs.
I am told that Harley Davidson now builds reliable motorcycles. For years, Bike Week in Daytona Beach was known as "Trailer Week" because of the preponderance of Harlys and how they got there.
It's noteworthy how today there are many P&W and Curtiss radial powered DC-3 and DC-4 still flying commercially, and still commercially maintained, and yet outside of some museums and Reno racers there are no Bristol-powered aircraft flying. It's no wonder the Australians opted to equip their licensed-built Bristol Beauforts with the Pratt & Whitney R-1830 Twin Wasp.Well, let's face it, folks. When the first PBY purchased by the British arrived in the U.K. a reporter attending the event said that it could not have flown very far because the nacelles were not covered with oil.
It's noteworthy how today there are many P&W and Curtiss radial powered DC-3 and DC-4 still flying commercially, and still commercially maintained, and yet outside of some museums and Reno racers there are no Bristol-powered aircraft flying. It's no wonder the Australians opted to equip their licensed-built Bristol Beauforts with the Pratt & Whitney R-1830 Twin Wasp.
It's noteworthy how today there are many P&W and Curtiss radial powered DC-3 and DC-4 still flying commercially, and still commercially maintained, and yet outside of some museums and Reno racers there are no Bristol-powered aircraft flying. It's no wonder the Australians opted to equip their licensed-built Bristol Beauforts with the Pratt & Whitney R-1830 Twin Wasp.
Well, let's add a dose of context here, shall we? Exactly how many Bristol-engined, purpose-designed transport aircraft were ever flown? I can't think of a single Bristol-engined transport aircraft...and, let's face it, no US aircraft manufacturer or airline would use anything other than a US-produced engine during peacetime. Also, there was such a surfeit of DC-3s at the end of WW2 that no converted bomber type (like the Lancastrian or Halifax) would ever make a dent on the market.
Exactly? Now you're going to make me work. If we can rely on Wikipedia and look exclusively at the sleeve valve engines, here are exactly the number of Bristol-engined, purpose-designed transport aircraft, excluding prototypes and short runs like the Bréguet 890, Brabazon and BZ.308:Well, let's add a dose of context here, shall we? Exactly how many Bristol-engined, purpose-designed transport aircraft were ever flown?
The Hawker Typhoon and Tornado were designed around 2000BHP engines with work starting in 1936/37. The Hercules offered nothing that a Merlin couldn't do as far as a S/E design goes.
Total, exactly, or as close as we can get it.... 1,666 Bristol-engined, purpose-designed transport aircraft. Note that most of them were postwar, so presumably Bristol saw sufficient future or opportunity to amortize its tooling to keep producing the Hercules when into the 1950s. And yet, back to my original point, almost all of these aircraft were withdrawn well before P&W and Curtiss powered transports, many of which soldier on to today in commercial service. Here in Canada we had an entire TV series about them.
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I take it you have not heard of the civil aviation Bristol 170 Freighter, Vickers Viking, Handley Page Hermes, Avro Tudor, or military transports HP Hastings, Vickers Valetta (military version of Viking) and Varsity crew trainer version? Safe Air of New Zealand operated their Bristol 170s until 1986. Their time between overhauls on the Hercules engines had reached 3,000 hours in 1978 (reported at the time as the highest engine TBO in the world) and by March 1985 one of Safe Air's Hercules had achieved total running hours since new of 20,987 hours (reported at the time as the longest running piston engine in the world).
However, compared with the cheap war surplus C-47s and others they never sold in massive numbers, but Bristol engined transports certainly existed. I can still remember the smell of the Bristol 170's Hercules as they taxied past me when aeroplane spotting at Southampton (Eastleigh) Airport in the 1960s.
Mike
Actually one Avro York, the rest had Melrins.258 x Avro York
There were two choices for designers, design around proven engine which has the risk of being rendered obsolete by new more powerful engines, or design around new engines on the drawing board which has the risk of them not working. The Hercules fell between the two for many designers, it didn't offer a big increase in power and wasn't actually sorted and reliable.Actually one Avro York, the rest had Melrins.
The Hercules was sketched on paper for a number of single engine aircraft in the late 30s. Manufacturers often offered several different engines (or the air ministry requested possible alternatives).
Unfortunately the Hercules suffered from sort of a triple whammy at a critical time. The difficulty in mass producing it has been mentioned many times and that got sorted out just in the nick of time. However power development seem to have stalled out about the same time. The Merlin was having no such difficulties and became the engine of choice in a big way. Yes 2000hp engines were planned but something was needed in the meantime, the 2000hp engines being several years away from production.
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If you read up on the failures of the British automobile and motorcycle industries you'll see a repeated claim that there were too many MBAs (sorry there) and business school graduates in upper management and not enough engineers. The Germans had the inverse experience, with their industrial giants being run by engineers. Perhaps that's part of the difference. I wonder if Bristol's engineers were hobbled by management directives on cost, resources or company direction.
There's also the issue of The City, where much of British industry was run or beholden to financiers in London who didn't care about industry, just profits. At Honda, almost every dime of profit was reinvested into engineering, production, process and product improvements, while profits in Britain went almost entirely to divideds to the shareholders, resulting in WW2 equipment and methods languishing into the 1970s. Even today, the inverse to Britain in Italy can be seen in motorcycles. In Britain today Triumph motorcycles have moved all production to Thailand in order to chase profits for its City financeers, meanwhile in Italy, Moto Guzzi produces all its bikes domestically, because the company is owned by the very industrialists that supply the parts, rather than banks in Milan.
You asked for the exact number, and I've done my best to provide it. The rest is up to you.So 1.600 Bristol-powered types...compared to over 16,000 DC-3s.
The Japanese steel plant I worked at in 1986 and 1999 was started in 1955, though it is built on reclaimed land so work obviously started sooner. By 1986 it had an output almost equal the whole of Western Europe. The part of the plant I worked in made the same product as I was trained in making but produced between 6 and 8 times more per person (depending on how you measure) purely because of the investment in technology.If you read up on the failures of the British automobile and motorcycle industries you'll see a repeated claim that there were too many MBAs (sorry there) and business school graduates in upper management and not enough engineers. The Germans had the inverse experience, with their industrial giants being run by engineers. Perhaps that's part of the difference. I wonder if Bristol's engineers were hobbled by management directives on cost, resources or company direction.
There's also the issue of The City, where much of British industry was run or beholden to financiers in London who didn't care about industry, just profits. At Honda, almost every dime of profit was reinvested into engineering, production, process and product improvements, while profits in Britain went almost entirely to divideds to the shareholders, resulting in WW2 equipment and methods languishing into the 1970s. Even today, the inverse to Britain in Italy can be seen in motorcycles. In Britain today Triumph motorcycles have moved all production to Thailand in order to chase profits for its City financeers, meanwhile in Italy, Moto Guzzi produces all its bikes domestically, because the company is owned by the very industrialists that supply the parts, rather than banks in Milan.