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I don't believe that to be the case. On the 6th November, 27 Bf109d's from I/ZG 2 led by Hpt Gentzen the Luftwaffe's top scoring pilot in the Polish campaign encountered nine Curtis H75A's of GC II/5. eight B109's were lost, four shot down and four written off in emergency landings with loss of four pilots, against the loss of one H75.109D at time of BoF was used only in night fighter unit, the 11/JG2 at Trondheim and the IV/JG2 at Hopsten.
As mentioned, speed, but also reliability and effective armament. And not actively trying to kill the pilot.P-36 was the most successful aircraft in the battle of France,Outperforming even more modern Dewoitine d.520.
Why was this seemingly medicore plane performed so well in 1940?
Good information but this was discussed in another thread. Where's your reference for "worn out." What specifically was "worn out"? Were the engines beyond TBO? Was the fabric bad? Were maintenance schedules exceeded? How many hours were on the airframes? This is a broad brush that I think has been over-used by many authors with no basis, just sayin.The MS.406 was significantly slower than the Hawk 75, but at least as agile: it was known as a real pilots airplane. However, they had been in services for a relatively long time, most were worn out
Look, I'm know that you don't believe it, so I'm not going to argue about it. You can read a lot of documentation through the Bibliotheque Nationale de France portal if you want. I'm afraid the the maintenance logs for individual engines and aircraft haven't survived.Good information but this was discussed in another thread. Where's your reference for "worn out." What specifically was "worn out"? Were the engines beyond TBO? Was the fabric bad? Were maintenance schedules exceeded? How many hours were on the airframes? This is a broad brush that I think has been over-used by many authors with no basis, just sayin.
And there's no argument, the fact is there seems to be no basis for this claim!!! I am aware of Greg Baughen and his research and would question this no matter where it came from.Look, I'm know that you don't believe it, so I'm not going to argue about it. You can read a lot of documentation through the Bibliotheque Nationale de France portal if you want. I'm afraid the the maintenance logs for individual engines and aircraft haven't survived.
Short of that, read Baughen, which is based primarily on archival sources that are still no online.
It's pretty strange that the German would give their best ace an older model.I don't believe that to be the case. On the 6th November, 27 Bf109d's from I/ZG 2 led by Hpt Gentzen the Luftwaffe's top scoring pilot in the Polish campaign encountered nine Curtis H75A's of GC II/5. eight B109's were lost, four shot down and four written off in emergency landings with loss of four pilots, against the loss of one H75.
That evening Gentzen was ordered to Berlin to explain this result, a conversation I wouldn't fancy.
It should be noted that the German aircraft had the advantage of height and had the advantage of the sun.
If a Hawk 75 can easily out turn a Spitfire it certainly can out turn a BF-109. To the 109 pilots it must have been like P-40's fighting a Oscar, except the Hawk 75 had enough punch to knock down a 109 pretty easily.It should be noted that the German aircraft had the advantage of height and had the advantage of the sun.
Until one can equate what was really "worn out," this, IMO is some author's enigmaThe first production MS.406 was delivered 29 January 1939.
535 were delivered by 3 Sept. 1939, and 1,000 by the end of production in March 1940 1,000 had been delivered to the French Air Force.
So apparently they became "worn out" with less than one year of service... only 8 months of which were wartime flights.
From Sept 39 to May 40 those 500+ aircraft had flown around 5,000 missions... less than 10 missions each.
That's really a fast wear-out rate I think.
This breaks it down a little betterHowever, according to Gaston Botquin*, the MS.406 DID experience: a very high rate of engine wear, corrosion of rudder components, cabin glazing breaking under air pressure during certain maneuvers, loss of exterior panels due to screws deteriorating rapidly, etc.
* The Morane Saulnier 406. Leatherhead, Surrey, UK: Profile Publications Ltd., 1967.
It wouldn't have worked at all, the cabin heater the British specified to get out of the contract totally ruined the P-39/P-40s performance.You have to wonder how a P-400 would have done in the BofF. It had heavier armament than almost anything else, it was a low to medium altitude air war, and Erich Hartman described the P-39 as performing much like the 109.
It wouldn't have worked at all, the cabin heater the British specified to get out of the contract totally ruined the P-39/P-40s performance.
I don't believe that to be the case. On the 6th November, 27 Bf109d's from I/ZG 2 led by Hpt Gentzen the Luftwaffe's top scoring pilot in the Polish campaign encountered nine Curtis H75A's of GC II/5. eight B109's were lost, four shot down and four written off in emergency landings with loss of four pilots, against the loss of one H75.
That evening Gentzen was ordered to Berlin to explain this result, a conversation I wouldn't fancy.
It should be noted that the German aircraft had the advantage of height and had the advantage of the sun.
No, The US had ordered over 500 P-40s on April 27th 1939.If Germany didn't invade Poland,Would P-36 be the USAF main fighter?
The book Fledging Eagles by Christopher ShoresFascinating. Do you have a good source for this operational data?
Yeah, my first guess was "ground loops." P-40 was noted as requiring a lot of Right rudder.Very few wings had combat damage, damage due to high stresses caused by operation from wartime airdromes was not a direct cause of the order for wings. It was a high rate of landing accidents that was the major cause in conjunction with an insufficient order for spare parts.