Wild_Bill_Kelso
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- Mar 18, 2022
as I have noted the12 Z used a a different crankshaft, different connecting rods, different crankcase, different cylinder heads, and used a different fuel system (fuel injection) but if want to believe that it was just a different version that could be sorted out in a few months, I guess those facts won't stop you. The fact that the US engine makers seemed to take a year to two years to go from 1st test run of a major revision to an engine to the 5th production engine delivered just means the US makers were way, way behind the French I guess. Like Wright running the first 1300hp R-1820 in Jan 1942 and delivering the 5th engine in April 1943.
Oh so you are saying that the US was on a war footing in 1940?
What the Soviet Klimov contributed in combat has very little to do with the evolution of the Hispano 12Y engine and the Klimov variants in regards to power output, power to weight ratio or longevity/durability. We can look at the Klimov's and ask why did the Russians do so and so or such and such to get more power or to solve durability problems as an insight to the Hispano engines.
I don't think that is correct, the Klimov was a Hispano 12Y, just taken down a slightly different development path. The Soviet difficulties in developing the engine further, in spite of significant efforts, are more of a reflection of their difficulties in industrialization and high tech in general, which they did largely overcome during the war. There is a reason why they started out with the French design instead of developing their own inline engine from scratch, as it were. They were going through a very steep learning curve. Their development cycle also reflected the different (lower grade) fuel they used, by necessity.
Confusing the end of development due to the war situation with good or bad design or design features doesn't get us anywhere. The Merlin did take a while to develop but by 1940 the basic engine design was sorted out. If Britain had fallen in 1940 the Merlin, as an engine, would still have been a good design. The Allison in the summer of 1940, not so much.
Again, was USA on a war-footing when the 12Y development was interrupted (or at least, drastically slowed down)?
Ok well, the 14M was used in the successful HS 129 and was selected by the Germans as a replacement for their own Argus As 410. So I don't think it was so bad.As for "The Gnome Rhone 14 series was similarly an effective design which never reached it's full potential. But it was good enough that the Germans used it for example on their successful FW 189"
Uh, one, count it, one FW 189 used an Gnome-Rhone 14 engine.
However it was a Gnome-Rhone 14M engine which had nothing in common with the 14N or the 14R except the name and the fact that both were 14 cylinder engines.
The 14M was the small diameter 19 liter engine of 700hp. The 14K, 14N and 14R were all much larger in diameter and of 38.7 liters displacement.
One reason the 14K and 14N didn't reach their full potential was that, like the AS Tiger, they didn't have a center bearing on the crankshaft.
In order to reach their full potential on the 14R they added just about 200kg to the weight of the engine (new crankcase, new crankshaft, new rotating parts new cylinder fins, new cylinder heads etc)
Apparently after years of work (it was still catalogued in 1953 but unsold?) the French gave up on it and took out a license for the Bristol Hercules 700 Series engines.
Rerating the 14R on 100/130 fuel brought no increase in power although the engine gained 130kg between the 1946 version and the 1953 version. The 1953 version was as making the 1600hp take-off power at 3700ft.
In 1953 the The 14R could do using 100/130 fuel what the Wright R-2600 could do in 1940 using 91 octane fuel and weighing over 100lbs less. The 14R was a bit smaller in diameter though.
I don't think postwar development of a radial engine is comparable to pre-war or wartime development, it's basically back burner by 1946.