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I've seen pictures of P-40's still flying with 70-80 bullet holes.
735 Corsairs were built by Brewster and there is NO evidence that I could find to show that these aircraft DIDN'T see combat.Any aircraft built by Brewster. If I'm not mistaken the license-built Brewster Corsairs (thank God not many came off the assembly line) were of poor quality and were never flown in combat.
735 Corsairs were built by Brewster and there is NO evidence that I could find to show that these aircraft DIDN'T see combat.
I've seen the article and know of O'Leary. Take what he writes with a grain of salt. A pilot flying a Brewster, Vought or Goodyear built Corsair wouldn't be able to tell them apart and I cannot see how any WW2 pilot could determine that his aircraft was structurally deficient unless he had strong aircraft maintenance background and really knew what he was looking at (and I could tell you the vast majority didn't).Stating that they were never flown in combat was a slight exaggeration on my part. Some probably did. My feeling is that most didn't. My source is a Michael O'Leary article in the May 2002 issue of Air Classics, Bent Wing Warrior. O'Leary stated...
"Goodyear proved to be a model of efficiency, delivering Corsairs to combat units at a prodigious rate but Brewster production was disastrous and was terminated after 735 F3As. Pilots considered the F3A to be structurally deficient and to be avoided at all costs. Many of the Brewster-built machines were assigned to training units or shipped to the Royal Navy under Lend-Lease."
I've seen the article and know of O'Leary. Take what he writes with a grain of salt. A pilot flying a Brewster, Vought or Goodyear built Corsair wouldn't be able to tell them apart and I cannot see how any WW2 pilot could determine that his aircraft was structurally deficient unless he had strong aircraft maintenance background and really knew what he was looking at (and I could tell you the vast majority didn't).
If the aircraft was structurally deficient, they (Navy and Marine Pilots) wouldn't be allowed to fly them. Now that's not to say that Brewster didn't build some real crap, but eventually those deficiencies had to be corrected for the aircraft to be used operationally at any squadron level....
Knowing what went on at Brewster I doubt the RN would of accepted deficient aircraft, even if they were part of lend lease...
Agree...Your points are well taken. I'll leave it that Brewster built junk, compared to the other manufacturers.
Agree...
BTW I had an uncle who worked for them, he left when labor disputes started then went in the Army.
I've seen pictures of P-40's still flying with 70-80 bullet holes.
I'll leave it that Brewster built junk, compared to the other manufacturers.
By December a total of 107 bombers had been offered to the Army Air Corps, but only 56 were acceptable. Part of the problem was that, as in the auto industry, the plant was using hard steel dies instead of the softer dies more conducive to the multiple changes demanded by the aircraft industry. In the first year alone there were 575 changes required.
Brewster did deliver 735 airframes, signed sealed delivered.
I don't understand where you are percieving there is any claim that Brewster did not deliver 735 airframes to the USN in my post.
All the best,
Crumpp
So out of 735 Brewster Corsair accepted airframes with a 75% maintenance stock, we are looking at about 180 airframes in the force.
It's not a Germany, United States, United Kingdom, or any nationality issue. It is an industrial issue and a manufacturing reality when ever you develop a complex manufacturing system for a given product from the ground up.
Look at "Willow Run", a plant which is held up as a manufacturing miracle of WWII! I don't think an argument can be made that Henry Ford did not have considerable experience in assembly line manufacturering.
Willow Run and the Arsenal of Democracy
It is a fact of business. Generally speaking the more experience your assembly line work force gains and the longer you manufacture a given product, the easier and more efficient that production becomes.
It is only natural that parent companies experience fewer problems with their own design than sub-contractor making someone else's design.
Aircraft are extremely demanding in their maintenance tolerances as you should know having worked for Lockheed. I have no doubt that only 5% of the airframes manufactured by Lockheed during the war were rejected by the services. However I imagine that is percentage of airframes which could not be brought up to acceptance levels and required scrapping and complete remanufacture.
The rejection rates I refer too are the normal deliveries. The vast majority of those airframes rejected for initial acceptance only require some reworking in order to meet acceptance standards.
For example let's say our hypothetical service inspector finds an aircraft that does not pass its magneto rpm check. This is a very common on a hot summer day in an aircooled radial engine. Oil pools on the plugs and they foul! He might lean it to see if they clear but if that does not do the trick, the airframe is rejected. The company does not scrap that airframe; they figure out if there is a problem with the magneto, plugs, or ignition harness and fix it. The next inspection it passes and is accepted for service.
All the best,
Crumpp
So out of 735 Brewster Corsair accepted airframes with a 75% maintenance stock, we are looking at about 180 airframes in the force.
Now as far as parent companies experiencing fewer problems than their sub-contractors - not always the case.
All in all it is quite rare to find an airframe so "butchered" that the whole thing is rejected and scrapped during manufacturing.