ww2 help

[Alecras234]

i want to make short facts from the sentences so i remember important facts. How so i do this please?

 

[Wurger]

Just use a couple of points with short sentences describing the facts.

 

[Alecras234]

Does Germany western eastern border threatened sound ok or should i word it differently? Russia - 6 weeks to mobilize armies, Shlieffen plan - Germany attacked France via Belgium. Do they sound ok?

 

[Wurger]

These sound good.

 

[Alecras234]

Does this sound ok? please tell me what to put instead. i cant think of how to briefly put about the Germans encircling France down to Paris. Here is my list.
Germany/ eastern western borders threatened

Alfred Von Shlieffen designed battle plan – 1905

Shlieffen plan intended to avoid a two front war

Russia – 6 weeks to mobilize its armies

Germany invaded France first via Belgium

Alfred Von Shlieffen died – 1913

Shlieffen plan used 1 year later

Germany, via Luxembourg to get to Belgium – 2 August

Belgium refused access - Treaty with Britain

Germans bombed Belgium – 4 August

Britain – war on Germany – 4 August

 

[Wurger]

Generally It's OK. Just tone point I would get corrected..

- Germany invaded France first via Belgium....... the attack was the main purpose of the Shlieffen's plan.
So it should be:
- Germany was going to attack France via the Belgium.

To keep the time order of the list I would put it in the way...


Alfred Von Shlieffen designed battle plan – 1905
Germany was going to attack France via the Belgium
Shlieffen plan intended to avoid a two front war
Russia – 6 weeks to mobilize its armies
Alfred Von Shlieffen died – 1913
Shlieffen plan used 1 year later
Germany, via Luxembourg to get to Belgium – 2 August
Belgium refused access - Treaty with Britain
Germans bombed Belgium – 4 August
Britain – war on Germany – 4 August

 

[Alecras234]

How does this sound?
Germany /eastern western borders threatened

Alfred Von Shlieffen designed battle plan – 1905

Germany attacked France via Belgium

Shlieffen plan intended to avoid a two front war

Russia – 6 weeks to mobilize its armies

Alfred Von Shlieffen died – 1913

Shlieffen plan used 1 year later

August 2, Germany refused access into Belgium

Belgium treaty with Britain broken by Germans

4 August, Germany bombed Belgium

4 August, Britain declares war on Germany

How can i say that Germany encircled France?

 

[Wurger]

Alec you are still mixing the facts. The Shlieffen's plan was just a plan only. It was created in case the Germany would have to fight against enemies on two fronts. Von Shlieffen created the plan in 1905 but it had been edited a couple of times before Germans tried to use it in 1914. So there was the interval of nine years between its creating and using.

Therefore the order of the list should be ..

Alfred Von Shlieffen designed battle plan – 1905
Germany was going to attack France via the Belgium
Shlieffen plan intended to avoid a two front war by defeating France in less than 6 weeks.
Alfred Von Shlieffen died – 1913
Shlieffen plan used 1 year later
August 2, Germany demended access into Belgium and being refused.
August 3, Germany attacked Belgium
Belgium treaty with Britain broken by Germans
August 4, Britain declares war on Germany

 

[Alecras234]

ok thank you. I have typed out the list, does this look ok?

Alfred Von Shlieffen designed battle plan – 1905

Germany was going to attack France via Belgium

Shlieffen plan was intended to avoid a two front war by defeating France in less than 6 weeks

Alfred Von Shlieffen died – 1913

Shlieffen plan used 1 year later

August 2, Germany demanded access into Belgium and being refused

Belgium Treaty with Britain broken by Germans

August 3, Germany attacked Belgium

August 4, Britain declares war on Germany

Where it says Germany was going to attack France via Belgium, i don't quite understand was going to, they did attack France via Belgium so should it be they did attack via Belgium?

 

[Wurger]

OK. Once again..

Von Shlieffen's plane had been designed long time before the WW1 started. The plane was created in case the Germany would have to fight against the France and Russia. together what would mean the war on two fronts. But it was just a plan ( idea ) only. Therefore if you plan something to do for the future you say : you are going to do something right? Unless my English isn't that good as I think.
Nine years later when the war started, Germans already had a plan ready to use. So they decided to follow it although the orginal Shlieffen's plan had been changed a couple of times. before the battle started.

Therefore if you talk about the WW1 you have to separate the info on the Shlieffen's plan and the real warfare, I would suggest editing of four last points of your list by adding the year to the date...

August 2, 1914, Germany demanded access into Belgium and being refused

Belgium Treaty with Britain broken by Germans

August 3, 1914, Germany attacked Belgium

August 4, 1914, Britain declares war on Germany

 

[Alecras234]

changed.
Alfred Von Shlieffen designed battle plan – 1905
Germany was going to attack France via Belgium
Shlieffen plan was intended to avoid a two front war by defeating France in less than 6 weeks
Alfred Von Shlieffen died – 1913
Shlieffen plan used 1 year later
August 2 1914, Germany demanded access into Belgium and being refused
1839 Belgium Treaty with Britain broken by Germans
August 3 1914, Germany attacked Belgium
August 4 1914, Britain declares war on Germany

 

[Wurger]

Humm..????

1839 Belgium Treaty with Britain broken by Germans

 

[Alecras234]

thats what my book says.
On 2 August, Germany stormed through Luxembourg and demanded immediate access through Belgium. But 'Poor little Belgium', as the British press called her, refused and turned to a 1839 treaty, guaranteeing its neutrality. One of the signatories was Germany. The other was Great Britain.

 

[Wurger]

It is correct. The treaty about the neutral Belgium was signed in London in 1839. But the way you wrote the point suggests the treaty was broken by Germans just in 1839. But it is not correct because Germans violeted the neutrality of Belgium on 3 August 1914 while atacking the country.
So either you should delete the point entirely or remove the year and edit it and move the point one line down.. like below...

August 3 1914, Germany attacked Belgium
The Belgium neutrality violeted by Germans
August 4 1914, Britain declares war on Germany

 

[Alecras234]

This ok? How do i say about Britain/Belgium treaty?

Alfred Von Shlieffen designed battle plan – 1905

Germany was going to attack France via Belgium

Shlieffen plan was intended to avoid a two front war by defeating France in less than 6 weeks

Alfred Von Shlieffen died – 1913

Shlieffen plan used 1 year later

August 2 1914, Germany demanded access into Belgium and being refused

August 3 1914, Germany attacked Belgium

Belgium Treaty with Britain broken by Germans

August 4 1914, Britain declares war on Germany

 

[Wurger]

Generally all sounds fine. Butthe point abot the treaty I would replace wih the one rather

- The Belgium neutrality violeted by Germans -

... I would say that the treaty couldn't be broken by Germans because they didn't signed that.

 

[Alecras234]

Germany demanded access into Belgium and being refused is to do with Belgium neutrality violated by Germans?? do i need Belgium neutrality violated by Germans?

 

[Wurger]

The Germans' demending was an excuse only. They knew that Belgium wouldn't agree for moving the German Army through the country. So being refused Germans attacked Belgium although the they announced the neutrality. In other words the German's attack was the violation. And therefore if you want to remember the fact it should be written as I posted.

 

[Alecras234]

im sorry but i want to get the facts right. is this ok?
Alfred Von Shlieffen designed battle plan – 1905

Germany was going to attack France via Belgium

Shlieffen plan was intended to avoid a two front war by defeating France in less than 6 weeks

Alfred Von Shlieffen died – 1913

Shlieffen plan used in 1914

August 2 1914, Germany demanded access into Belgium and being refused

August 3 1914, Germany attacked Belgium

August 4 1914, Britain declares war on Germany

Shall i say that Belgium was allied with Britain?

 

[Wurger]

im sorry but i want to get the facts right. is this ok?

Alfred Von Shlieffen designed battle plan – 1905
Germany was going to attack France via Belgium
Shlieffen plan was intended to avoid a two front war by defeating France in less than 6 weeks
Alfred Von Shlieffen died – 1913
Shlieffen plan used in 1914
August 2 1914, Germany demanded access into Belgium and being refused
August 3 1914, Germany attacked Belgium
August 4 1914, Britain declares war on Germany

Perfect !

Shall i say that Belgium was allied with Britain?

It is not necessarily , IMHO.