I have been taken to task for stating in this thread that an alternative American engine would be produced if the Allison had failed. People have said that using the Merlin would be the choice that would have been made.
Let's take a look at that from a factual rather than emotional or logical basis. In the lists below, which are incomplete, I show 187 fighters that either tried out for service or were acutally procured, running form 1920 into WWII. I didn't even include the US Navy monoplane fighters or the Bell P-63 series.
Of these 187 real planes, not including the P-51 for reasons stated above, only 3 had foreign engines and only 2 were bought ... the P-40F and L.
ALL the rest had US-designed engines. Let's see, I have a bowl with 187 white pills in it and 3 red pills. Reach in and draw one out blind. How many would bet they had a red pill?
Facts like this are why I said the US would develop its own alternate engine if the Allison V-1710 had failed. It hasn't got naything to do with whether or not the Merlinw as a good engine, it has to do with FACTS. If I went ahead and added the Bell P-63 and the US Navy monop[lanes, the list would likey be 250 planes or more with 3 have foreign engines.
So, you guys who think we would design planes with Merlins, on what basis in historical fact would you believe that? If you answer, you might include all the foreign engine piston fighters other than the P-51 series. The list will be VERY short I think.
US Army Pursuits from 1920 – 1932:
1. Vermille VCP-1, Wright-Hispano H in prototype, re-engined with a Packard 1A-2025 V-12.
2. Dayton-Wright XPS-1, Lawrence -1 radial.
3. Curtiss PN-1, Liberty 8, L-825.
4. Curtiss PN-1A, Wright R-1 (R-1454).
5. Engineering Division PW-1, Packard 1A-1237.
6. Engineering Division PW-1A, Packard 1A-1237.
7. Loening PW-2, Wright H.
8. Loening PW-2A, Wright H.
9. Loening PW-2B, Packard 1A-1237.
10. Orenco PW-3, Wright H.
11. Gallaudet PW-4, Packard 1A-1237.
12. Fokker V-40, Wright H.
13. Fokker PW-6, Wright H-2.
14. Fokker PW-5, Wright H-2.
15. Curtiss XPW-8, CurtissD-12.
16. Curtiss PW-8, -8A, -8B, Curtiss D-12.
17. Boeing XPW-9, Curtiss D-12.
18. Boeing PW-9, Curtiss D-12.
19. Engineering Division TP-1, Liberty 12.
20. Thomas-Morse TM-23, Curtiss D-12.
21. Thomas-Morse TM-24, Curtiss D-12.
22. Curtiss P-1, Curtiss V-1150.
23. Curtiss P-1A, Curtiss V-1150.
24. Curtiss P-1B, Curtiss V-1150.
25. Curtiss P-1C, Curtiss V-1150.
26. Curtiss P-2, Curtiss V-1400.
27. Curtiss XP-3A, Pratt Whitney R-1340.
28. Curtiss P-3A, Pratt Whitney R-1340.
29. Curtiss XP-4, Packard 1A-1500.
30. Curtiss P-5, Curtiss V-1150.
31. Curtiss XP-6, Curtiss V-1570.
32. Curtiss P-6, Curtiss V-1570.
33. Curtiss P-6A, Curtiss V-1570.
34. Curtiss P-6B, Curtiss V-1570.
35. Curtiss P-6D, Curtiss V-1570.
36. Curtiss Hawk I, Curtiss V-1570.
37. Curtiss Hawk P-6S (Cuba), Pratt Whitney R-1340.
38. Curtiss XP-7, Curtiss V-1570.
39. Boeing XP-8, Packard 2A-1530.
40. Boeing XP-9, Curtiss V-1570.
41. Boeing P-12, Pratt Whitney R-1340.
42. Boeing P-12A, Pratt Whitney R-1340.
43. Boeing P-12B, Pratt Whitney R-1340.
44. Boeing Model 100, Pratt Whitney SR-1340D.
45. Boeing P-12C, Pratt Whitney R-1340.
46. Boeing P-12D, Pratt Whitney R-1340.
47. Boeing XP-15, Pratt Whitney SR-1340D.
48. Boeing 218, Pratt Whitney SR-1340C.
49. Boeing P-12E, Pratt Whitney R-1340.
50. Boeing P-12F, Pratt Whitney R-1340.
51. Boeing XP-925A, Pratt Whitney SR-1340F.
52. Thomas-Morse XP-13, Curtiss H-1640.
53. Thomas-Morse XP-13A, Pratt Whitney SR-1340C.
54. Curtiss XP-17, Wright V-1460.
55. Curtiss YP-20, Wright R-1820.
56. Curtiss XP-22, Curtiss V-1570.
57. Curtiss XP-6E, Curtiss V-1570.
58. Curtiss P-6E, Curtiss V-1570.
59. Curtiss P-6F, Curtiss V-1570.
60. Curtiss XP-6H, Curtiss V-1570.
61. Curtiss XP-23, Curtiss V-1570.
62. Berliner-Joyce XP-16, Curtiss V-1570.
63. Berliner-Joyce Y1P-16, Curtiss V-1570.
So far, from 1920 – 1932, we have 63 airplanes trying out for the US Army and 63 US-designed engines. What about the US Navy?
1. Boeing FB-1, Curtiss D-12.
2. Boeing FB-3. Packard 1A-1500.
3. Boeing FB-4, Wright P-2.
4. Boeing FB-5, Packard 2A-1500.
5. Curtiss F6C-1. Curtiss D-12.
6. Curtiss F6C-2, Curtiss D-12.
7. Curtiss F6C-3, Curtiss D-12.
8. Bought FU-1, Wright R-790.
9. Wright XF3W-1, Pratt Whitney R-1340B.
10. Curtiss F6C-4, Pratt Whitney R-1340.
11. Curtiss XF6C-5, Pratt Whitney R-1690.
12. Curtiss F7C-1, Pratt Whitney R-1340B.
13. Eberhart FG-1, Pratt Whitney R-1340C.
14. Hall XFH-1, Pratt Whitney R-1340B.
15. Boeing XF2B-1, Pratt Whitney R-1340.
16. Boeing F2B-1, Pratt Whitney R-1340.
17. Curtiss F8C-1, Pratt Whitney R-1340.
18. Curtiss XF8C-2, Pratt Whitney R-1340.
19. Curtiss F8C-4, Pratt Whitney R-1340.
20. Curtiss XF9C-7, Wright R-1820.
21. Vought XF2U-1, Pratt Whitney R-1340C.
22. Bristol Bulldog, Bristol Jupiter VII (US Navy tested 1 aircraft).
23. Berliner-Joyce XFJ-1, Pratt Whitney R-1340C.
24. Berliner-Joyce XFJ-2, Pratt Whitney R-1340.
25. Fokker XFA-1, Pratt Whitney R-1340C.
26. Curtiss XF9C-1, Wright R-975C.
27. Curtiss F9C-2, Wright R-975.
28. Boeing XF4B-1, Pratt Whitney R-1340.
29. Boeing F4B-1, Pratt Whitney R-1340.
30. Boeing F4B-2, Pratt Whitney R-1340.
31. Boeing F4B-3, Pratt Whitney R-1340.
32. Boeing F4B-4, Pratt Whitney R-1340.
That's 32 Navy planes with one foreign test. So far, we have 95 airplanes with 1 foreign engine that was a demo test from Bristol. What about WWII monoplane fighters? Exclusive of the P-51 series … OK …
1. Lockheed YP-24, Curtiss V-1570.
2. Consolidated Y1P-25, Curtiss V-1570.
3. Boeing Y1P-26, Pratt Whitney R-1340.
4. Boeing P-26A, Pratt Whitney R-1340.
5. Boeing 281, Pratt Whitney R-1340.
6. Curtiss XP-934, Pratt Whitney R-1340.
7. Curtiss XP-31, Curtiss V-1570.
8. Boeing YP-29, Pratt Whitney R-1340.
9. Boeing YP-29A, Pratt Whitney R-1340.
10. Consolidated P-30, Curtiss V-1570.
11. Consolidated PB-2A, Curtiss V-1570.
12. Northrop 3A, Pratt Whitney SR-1535.
13. Vought V-141, Pratt Whitney R-1535.
14. Vought V-143, Pratt Whitney R-1535.
15. Seversky SEV-3M-WW, Wright R-975.
16. Seversky SEV-1, Wright R-1820.
17. Seversky P-35, Pratt Whitney R-1830.
18. Seversky 2PA-A, Wright R-1820.
19. Seversky 2PA-L, Wright R-1820.
20. Republic P-35A, Pratt Whitney R-1830.
21. Republ;ic Guardsman (AT-12), Pratt Whitney R-1830.
22. Curtiss design 75, Pratt Whitney R-1535.
23. Curtiss design 75B, Wright XR-1820.
24. Curtiss YP-36, Pratt Whitney R-1830.
25. Curtiss P-3A, Pratt Whitney R-1830.
26. Curtiss P-36C, Pratt Whitney R-1830.
27. Curtiss P-36F, Pratt Whitney R-1830.
28. Curtiss XP-37, Allison V-1710.
29. Curtiss YP-37, Allison V-1710.
30. Curtiss 75R, Pratt Whitney R-1830.
31. Curtiss XP-42, Pratt Whitney R-1830.
32. Curtiss Hawk 75, Wright GR-1820.
33. Curtiss H-75Q, Wright CR-1820.
34. Curtiss Hawk 75A-4, Wright R-1820.
35. Bell XFM-1, Allison V-1710.
36. Bell YFM-1, Allison V-1710.
37. Bell YFM-1A, Allison V-1710.
38. Bell YFM-1B, Allison V-1710.
39. Curtiss-Wright CW-21, Wright R-1820.
40. Curtiss-Wright CW-21B, Wright R-1820.
41. North American P-64, Wright R-1820.
42. Vultee Vanguard prototype, Pratt Whitney R-1830.
43. Vultee P-66, Pratt Whitney R-1830.
44. Curtiss XP-40, Allison V-1710.
45. Curtiss P-40, Allison V-1710.
46. Curtiss P-40B, Allison V-1710.
47. Curtiss P-40C, Allison V-1710.
48. Curtiss XP-46, Allison V-1710.
49. Curtiss P-40D, Allison V-1710.
50. Curtiss P-40E, Allison V-1710.
51. Curtiss P-40F, Packard Merlin V-1650.
52. Curtiss P-40K, Allison V-1710.
53. Curtiss P-40L, Packard Merlin V-1650.
54. Curtiss P-40M, Allison V-1710.
55. Curtiss P-40N, Allison V-1710.
56. Curtiss XP-40Q. Allison V-1710.
57. Lockheed XP-38, Allison V-1710.
58. Lockheed YP-38, Allison V-1710.
59. Lockheed P-38, Allison V-1710.
60. Lockheed P-38D, Allison V-1710.
61. Lockheed P-38F, Allison V-1710.
62. Lockheed P-38G, Allison V-1710.
63. Lockheed 322, Allison V-1710.
64. Lockheed P-38H, Allison V-1710.
65. Lockheed P-38J, Allison V-1710.
66. Lockheed P-38L, Allison V-1710.
67. Lockheed P-38M, Allison V-1710.
68. Bell XP-39, Allison V-1710.
69. Bell XP-39B, Allison V-1710.
70. Bell YP-39, Allison V-1710.
71. Bell P-39C, Allison V-1710.
72. Bell P-39D, Allison V-1710.
73. Bell P-39F, Allison V-1710.
74. Bell P-39J, Allison V-1710.
75. Bell P-400, Allison V-1710.
76. Bell XP-39E, Allison V-1710.
77. Bell P-39K, Allison V-1710.
78. Bell P-39M, Allison V-1710.
79. Bell P-39N, Allison V-1710.
80. Bell P-39Q, Allison V-1710.
81. Seversky XP-41, Pratt Whitney R-1830.
82. Republic P-43, Pratt Whitney R-1830.
83. Republic P-43A, Pratt Whitney R-1830.
84. Republic P-47B, Pratt Whitney XR-2800.
85. Republic P-47B, Pratt Whitney R-2800.
86. Republic P-47C, Pratt Whitney R-2800.
87. Republic P-47D, Pratt Whitney R-2800.
88. Republic XP-47H, Chrysler XI-2220.
89. Republic XP-47J, Pratt Whitney R-2800.
90. Republic XP-47K, Pratt Whitney R-2800.
91. Republic P-47M, Pratt Whitney R-2800.
92. Republic P-47N, Pratt Whitney R-2800.
So, here is a list of 92 monoplane fighters of which 2 had Merlins, the P-40F and L. So far, we have 187 planes that either were bought by the USA or tried out for service. 3 had foreign engines and one of those was a Bristol demo unit. I haven't added the P-63 series or the Navy monoplane fighters, but they run much the same.