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The situation is at once both complicated and simple. (...)
I also find it curious that the difference between British 100 octane fuel and American Military 100 octane doesn't seem to be mentioned in the article. The American suppliers were supplying fuel to British Specifications. The US would not accept US Military 100 octane fuel of 1940 and the US Military would not accept British 100 octane fuel of 1940.
British 100 octane fuel of 1940 would allow more boost than the US Military 100 Fuel. But that is a subject that has gone over in many other threads.
I do not know if +12 lbs boost was used for climb to any degree during the BoF or BoB, but if so there would have been a significant increase in ROC (+800 fpm?) and decrease in TTH. Just using it for a few seconds during maneuver would have given a significant short term performance increase in ROT (Rate Of Turn) and ability to perform the various acrobatics like rolls and loops without stalling.
British 100 octane fuel could use up to (but not exceed) 20% aromatic compounds.That's another problem. This article from 1936 states that octane rating depends on the measurement method. Two methods exist in the US, which more or less give a difference of 5, ie what is rated 87 under one method is rater 92 under the other. The Bristish octane rating is yet another method, but I haven't found comparisons with the US method.
On the subject of the constant speed props and take-Off.
You don't have the constant speed prop you are screwed.
With the two pitch prop they took off at around 2700rpm (?) and shifted to Coarse pitch at about 2,000ft and 170mph. Engine RPM dropped from 2850rpm to 2080rpm.
If you tried to fly much faster than 170mph at low level you would over speed the engine.
You might have had to use reduced throttle for take-off. You might have over spun the propeller on runway and lost thrust until the plane got to take-off speed.
Here's an RAF test report on a Hurricane1 showing the speed improvement at 5000 and 10000ft:That's were I stand now, correct. There does not seem to be more recent litterature about 100-octane than Bailey's 2008 article, so I'll stick to his conclusions.
But also learned quite a few things on related topics, like 100-octane during battle of France.
Here's an RAF test report on a Hurricane1 showing the speed improvement at 5000 and 10000ft:
A big big thanks for these detailed comments. They clarify the curve effectively!Hey Mori,
Here is a marked up version of the Spitfire Mk I graph showing how to read the various lines and numbers. If you have any more questions please ask.
The hatched area in the lower right quadrant of the speed envelope indicates the effect of the increase in boost.
Note that the +30 mph speed increase mentioned in Mike William's post#55 is indicated in the graph.
There are no TTH (Time To Height) or ROC (Rate Of Climb) values in the graph, only speeds for Best Climb, Maximum Economic Cruise, and Maximum Speed (at max available boost. The Best Climb Speed uses a different mph scale than do the Maximum Economic Speed and Maximum Speed.
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I do not know if +12 lbs boost was used for climb to any degree during the BoF or BoB, but if so there would have been a significant increase in ROC (+800 fpm?) and decrease in TTH. Just using it for a few seconds during maneuver would have given a significant short term performance increase in ROT (Rate Of Turn) and ability to perform the various acrobatics like rolls and loops without stalling.
All this is new to me and I would be very thankful if you could cite the source since it is of direct interest to what I am doing.The British wanted the better rich mixture response (more boost before knocking or detonation) even though they couldn't measure it in the 1930s or even 1940. When the Performance Number scale was developed and old stocks of 1939-40 fuel were tested in Britain the British 100 octane fuel of the BoB was found to be about 100/115-120 depending on the batch. There are a number of different aromatics and exact blends do give different results.
A big big thanks for these detailed comments. They clarify the curve effectively!Hey Mori,
Here is a marked up version of the Spitfire Mk I graph showing how to read the various lines and numbers. If you have any more questions please ask.
The hatched area in the lower right quadrant of the speed envelope indicates the effect of the increase in boost.
Note that the +30 mph speed increase mentioned in Mike William's post#55 is indicated in the graph.
There are no TTH (Time To Height) or ROC (Rate Of Climb) values in the graph, only speeds for Best Climb, Maximum Economic Cruise, and Maximum Speed (at max available boost. The Best Climb Speed uses a different mph scale than do the Maximum Economic Speed and Maximum Speed.
View attachment 738001
I do not know if +12 lbs boost was used for climb to any degree during the BoF or BoB, but if so there would have been a significant increase in ROC (+800 fpm?) and decrease in TTH. Just using it for a few seconds during maneuver would have given a significant short term performance increase in ROT (Rate Of Turn) and ability to perform the various acrobatics like rolls and loops without stalling.
yes, in the case of Merlin III. The benefits were under the full throttle height of the engine used. As has been said one could benefit the benefits of the higher boost only up to the height at which the supercharger could deliver that boost....
If I understand properly - and I may well not -, the benefit from the 100-octane boost is most tangible at low height (below 12 000 feet) and disappears completely above 18,000 feet.
There was no difference however marginal that was considered insignificant in 1940. Initially the RAF used a variable pitch prop that had two positions fine and coarse, then they got a constant speed prop which automatically adjusted the pitch to keep the engine at a constant speed. Initially the Germans had a variable pitch prop which was adjusted by the pilot, this is a real high skill and difficult in combat. The first ROTOL props used in the battle of Britain were not the end of the story. Another was produced that was tried out on a couple of Mk I squadrons and fitted to the Mk II. The MK II was a more powerful but slightly different plane, on most metrics of speed at altitude it appeared to be worse than the Mk I, but this was because it was optimised to perform better overall, which it did. There were experiments into how few flush rivets they needed on a Spitfire without loss of performance. A Spitfire was flush rivetted 100%, then split peas glued to the heads and speed noted as they were gradually removed. This optimised performance AND production, flush rivets cost more and took longer to fit. Nothing at all was "insignificant" at the time. They may have chosen to have BP glass and cannon which cost in terms of performance, but that was a considered choice of what was more significant.Re-reading the above comments as well as the 2008 article by G. Bailey, I see no contradiction. Bailey did underline the benefits of 100-octane along the lines of the data presented in this thread.
What he did was comparing the 100-octane benefits with the variable propeller. He found that the later was way more significant, and concluded that all in all the impact of the fuel was "marginal, and perhaps even insignificant" because another, major innovation was introduced at the same time.
I suppose (and correct me if wrong) that pilots could not control the propeller pitch, but could decide when to go full throttle. So it's all natural that pilots' narratives of air combat only ever mentioned the +12lbs boost, never the propeller.
The idea of CS propeller was that it changed its pitch automaticly. I cannot say on the early Rotols from top of my head but IIRC the VDM propellers (licenced Hamilton Standard type) used by Germans were CS but at least in those used later in Bf 109Gs had also a manual use option....I suppose (and correct me if wrong) that pilots could not control the propeller pitch, but could decide when to go full throttle. So it's all natural that pilots' narratives of air combat only ever mentioned the +12lbs boost, never the propeller.
You confuse me for someone else. This may explain why your behavior is so defensive. The site administror(s) know from my IP I don't have another account. Besides, I'm sure I make EFL grammar mistakes that others don't. You are not such a Sherlock Holmes after all. But it seems you routinely trigger fights with fellow members of this site...
It would have been so easy to just say "this doc is from AIR 2/1234". You would have been the nice, open-minded, confident gentleman. And what could I reply?
Calum, it's clear you don't want to share any information. But why don't you go parasite another thread?
I could play the contempt game too, hitting masters-degree-of-not-disclosed-university-which-happens-to-be-deep-in-the-UK-ranking-and-let's-talk-about-global-rankings and never-been-employed-in-a-large-company-because-lacking-basic-social-skills. But would that help me understand anything about 100-octane?