13's....

[Lucky13]

Have no idea Wayne, your guess is as good as mine...
Are those good books, what's the number of pages, 90?

 

[Wayne Little]

Personally I think it's a great reference.....about 60 odd pages.

 

[Lucky13]

Cool! Cheers mate!

 

[Lucky13]

I've had that book in my hands also Jan

Local library's got that book ,You want me to get it out and have a look?

Only if you're passing through mate, thanks!

 

[109ROAMING]

Sweet as Mate ,will keep an eye out next time I'm down there

 

[Wayne Little]

Jan the D-9 "13's" from the JaPo volumes....

210063 Red 13 12/JG54 Fw. Hans Hegener 7.11.44 damaged in belly landing.

210176 White 13 5/JG26 Oblt Gerhard Vogt (St. Kapt)14.1.45 KIA aircraft destroyed

210241 Red 13 6/JG301 Uffz. Georg Gude 4.2.45 MIA Jabo mission.

210913 Red 13 6/JG301 Fw. Clemens Schmoll 14.1.45 KIA shot down. US Fighters

210919 Yellow 13 7/JG301 Obfw Willi Frank 14.2.45 KIA shot down US fighters.

210935 Blue 13 4/JG26 Uffz.Hermann Grad 26.12.44 KIA shot down
,bailed out shot on landing by US Infantry.

211068 Black 13 6/JG6 Fw. Erwin Gsteu 12.2.45 Shot down by flak, fate unknown.

211095 Black 13 10/JG54 Fw.Erich Lange 24.2.45 KIA shot down by Tempest.

400208 Brown 13 7/JG26 Fw. Alfred Hoppe 25.12.44 KIA shot down on recon mission.

400209 Blue 13 8/JG26 Uffz.Gotfried Burckhardt 18.12.44 WIA landing accident.

400241 White 13 1/JG26 Uffz.Emil Bruhan 25.2.45 KIA after belly landing.

500093 Yellow 13 3/JG26 Obgefr. Dieter Krageloh POW Shot down by Flak - belly landing.

600174 White 13 24.12.44 Uffz.Wilhelm Jesinger MIA shot down P-38

601315 Black 13 6/JG26 Destroyed on ground at Hustedt, by retreating troops.

 

[Lucky13]

Wow! Thank you ever so much Wayne!

 

[Wayne Little]

No worries mate.....and a bit more to keep you smiling....

Source : JaPo Fw190D-9 Camo and markings Vol.2

 

[Lucky13]

Tasty! This is worth a crate of finest lager or bottle or two of fine single malt! Need to get another Dora-9 it seems, right?

 

[Wayne Little]

 

[Lucky13]

Which to do, which to do.....?

 

[Lucky13]

Think that I might at some point try and do 4/JG26, Uffz.Hermann Grad's 13, 210935 and 6/JG301, Uffz. Georg Gude's 13, 210241.....

 

[Airframes]

Do 'em all, problem solved! (And wallet empty for many years!!!)

 

[Wurger]

Go for 1/72 scale Jan.You can buy much more D-9s.

 

[Lucky13]

I'd say that getting photo references of these, borders to rather.....well, slim to nonexistent!

 

[Airframes]

Oh for full, unrestricted access to the Bundes Archiv!

 

[Lucky13]

It would be that then....

 

[Wayne Little]

Unfortunately most are not documented photographically so a certain amount of artistic license is required.
Thankfully the work done by Jerry Crandall and the Guys from JaPo will allow you to get a reasonably accurate representation of your chosen aircraft as the Werk nummer is known. The only real problem is the style of the "3" as there were variations.......?

 

[Lucky13]

True! One way besides the Crandall/JaPo duo, is maybe compare the style of the numerals on the crates from the same unit and period. I don't think that they changed the style from one machine to another, or did they?

 

[Airframes]

Tended not to; there'd normally be one 'artist', maybe two on the Staffel or Gruppe, who would use the same style throughout. Although I can't confirm it, I believe that the style of numerals was standard within a Geschwader, certainly within a Gruppe, and tended to be (but not always) one of the few 'approved' design styles. The numerals to look out for are normally '4' and '8'. The former could be closed or open, whilst the latter could be round or 'squared'. Whichever style was used, would determine the rest of the numerals used. So, if, for example, you saw '8' and maybe '9' as rounded, you'd know that any other 'curved' numeral, 2,3,6 etc, would be in that style.
If you see an open '4', it is more than likely that '1' will have a longer 'tick' stroke, and '3' will probably be 'flat' on top, and so on.
Not a very positive way of ascertaining styles, but normally works!