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You are just miss understanding the point I was making which was mainly about available thrust. The Merlin eventually produced 2,000 BHP, Mitchell would have produced a much different design based on a 2000BHP Merlin and Variable pitch props. It is common here to quote the difference between a Spitfire MkIX and a P-51B/C or D which had the same Merlin engine, but it was a much different Merlin to that of 1936. A P-51 with a Merlin MkI, II or III and a wooden two blade prop would struggle to get off the ground at all, but it wasn't designed to, it was designed a few years later when planes all had constant speed props and 1100-1200BHP. I am not moving goal posts, I am saying how much goal posts moved between 1934 and 1940. This is borne out in later enquiries by the USA into UK aircraft engineering standards, basically why UK aircraft were lighter, they were lighter because they had to be, so the engineering standards sailed "closer to the wind" to the edge of what was safe and reasonable.We're all entitled to opinions. However - denying what is a reasonable proof and moving goal posts to prove an opinion? C'mon.
Payload capability (guns/ammo/fuel), ease of production
Not being 'married' to just a single engine type is also a plus
Exactly my point, and later with the MkII Spitfire, the increased horsepower was not turned into a higher top speed it was turned into better climb/take off performance and from that better performance at combat speeds. In some ways the early top speed figures for both Spitfire and Hurricane must have been propaganda kidology and maybe the same for the early Bf109s because the top speed is made with a propeller that is no good for take off and climb, though obviously they can take off and climb, but not very well.The engine was capable of making much more power at the lower altitudes than the early propellers could turn into thrust.
Well, The Spitfire VC carried about twice the firepower of a 109F or early G, While one Spitfire cannot be in two places at once needed two 109s to carry a bit more ammo than a single Spitfire is not exactly efficient. The Spitfire had room for more fuel.
In a similar way the Mig-3 was a rather expensive way to get one 12.7mm and two 7.62 guns into combat.
It can be a plus, it rather depends if the single engine type is able to be developed or runs into a wall development wise.
You may be reading too much into it. Small as the Spitfire was it still had a much bigger wing than 109, even the clipped wing Spitfire had around 33% more wing area. Which leaves room for guns/ammo. The MK V never got fuel tanks in the wings but the volume was there in leading edge for the MK VII and some of the Griffon powered planes to put a pair of 12-14 gallon tanks in. Later Spits got a slightly large fuselage tank and some of the later two stage planes could be fitted with rear fuselage tanks (not really for use in combat) while the 109 seemed to top out at 400 liters of fuel. (88 Imp gal) perhaps more could have jammed in had the Germans really needed a longer ranged fighter? The 109 fuselage guns went just in front of the cockpit which rather spoils things for a fuselage tank on/near the CG.
In the early days the Spitfire may have been more weight limited than volume limited. The 109 may have been the reverse. For some reason the Germans never put guns of any sort inside the wings of the 109 after the E model. They didn't put any fuel in the wing either.
But the Fw190 wasn't "sorted" until 1941/42 and it wasn't better than the 109 in all respects even then. Quantity has a quality and Germany was already geared up to make lots of 109s. The Typhoon could have been a much better plane than it was but the RAF preferred more Typhoons than a better Typhoon, allowing efforts to be concentrated on a "super Typhoon" called a Tempest.It's a curious thing why the Germans did some of the things they did regarding aircraft, and in particular fighters. It would seem they would have been better off to have switched to all 190s and killed off the 109 line. More growth potential, better visibility, better landing gear arrangement. The fog of war, ego's, bad assumptions, and intelligent, resilient adversaries does not a fools game make.
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Biff
In theory you are probably right. In practice it may have been much more difficult.
At one point there were 7 or 8 factories tooled up for the 109, including Focke-Wulf (Jumo 210 powered versions) this may have dropped to 5 factories later on???
At any rate the Germans had a large investment in 109 tooling and production lines and after June of 1941 not much extra time to change a factory from one type of aircraft to another without a loss of production they could ill afford. The 109 was a useful fighter even if not the best Germany could produce.
Try to pick a year or even 6 month period when Germany could get by with hundreds fewer fighters produced than historically even if after that time period the average German fighter was a better machine?
The Germans may have made a decision in 1940 to build a large air force for 1944 to prepare for a battle with a large Anglo-American air force (The Wages of Destruction by Adam Tooze, chapter 12). Thus the low production over 1940-2 may be because resources were devoted to building factories and synthetic fuel plants.Germany also didn't ramp up aircraft production until they were in serious trouble.
*IF* they had production numbers in 1939/40 like they did in 1944, then perhaps, they could have afforded to take one factory offline to start production of a different type.
While that sounds interesting, we need to look at their aircraft production numbers in 1938/39, when they were in the process of starting a war.The Germans may have made a decision in 1940 to build a large air force for 1944 to prepare for a battle with a large Anglo-American air force (The Wages of Destruction by Adam Tooze, chapter 12). Thus the low production over 1940-2 may be because resources were devoted to building factories and synthetic fuel plants.
If you want an alternate history possibility, you could ask what if they had realized that they could not match the Anglo-American numbers and had tried for a qualitative superiority by giving priority to jet engines and jet aircraft.
Well, The Spitfire VC carried about twice the firepower of a 109F or early G, While one Spitfire cannot be in two places at once needed two 109s to carry a bit more ammo than a single Spitfire is not exactly efficient. The Spitfire had room for more fuel.
In a similar way the Mig-3 was a rather expensive way to get one 12.7mm and two 7.62 guns into combat.
It's a curious thing why the Germans did some of the things they did regarding aircraft, and in particular fighters. It would seem they would have been better off to have switched to all 190s and killed off the 109 line. More growth potential, better visibility, better landing gear arrangement. The fog of war, ego's, bad assumptions, and intelligent, resilient adversaries does not a fools game make.
Cheers
Biff
And for the love of God, stop trying to make everything a dive-bomber!Even without poaching the bits & pieces (mostly engines and guns) from the Bf 109 into the much expanded Fw 190 production, there was a lot of potential war material that was basically wasted with fiascos like the DB 605/610 Me 210/410 and He 177. Just the early cancellation of DB 606 and 610 production, that went into thousands, would've feed many thousands of DB 601E and 605A engines for Fw 190s.