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The Bf109's gear was actually designed to handle unimproved (grass) operations, this attribute would certainly mean it was rugged enough for carrier ops.How do you guys think an ME109 would handle controlled crash landings on a carrier day after day?(Spitfire didn't like it)
How well would that tiny little fighter handle the weight gain of being navalized?
Back to my point: The only LAND based planes of the time that could legit do 350 mph were the Spitfire and ME109
No Japanese fighters could. Only US fighter that was 350 capable and in service in any numbers by 1940 was maybe P40? P38 wasn't, P39 wasn't and P43 wasn't even going to be produced
The P-43 had a max. speed of 356 and while that may seem impressive, it's 650 mile range becomes a liability.
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Here is a "what if". What if the R2800 had been a failure like several of the British engines and some of the American engines? Then you don't have a Hellcat in mid 1943, or a Corsair.
The Skyrocket and the Hellcat have the same top speed at sea level 312. At 17,000 feet, the Skyrocket is doing 357 on LESS hp than the Hellcat. At 17,000 the Hellcat is doing 357 on 1825 hp Military power while the Skyrocket is doing 357 on less than that because the Wright 1820-G231 were only rated 900 a piece up to 14,000 feet. So if the Skyrocket would do 357 on less than 1,800 hp, what would top speed be with 2,400 total hp (turbocharged 1820's) at that altitude? What would top speed be at 25,000 feet with 2,400 hp?
They could have had F6F performance with current, proven engines in 1941 with the Skyrocket and should have been able to substantially exceed Hellcat performance if they had installed the turbocharged Wright 1820. Im sure performance would have gone up even more if they had chosen P&W 1830's instead of the Wright 1820 because of less drag, the Wildcat and P36 were both better with the P&W.
The P-43 had a max. speed of 356 and while that may seem impressive, it's 650 mile range becomes a liability.
The Bf109's gear was actually designed to handle unimproved (grass) operations, this attribute would certainly mean it was rugged enough for carrier ops.
And the P-43 was produced: 272 units built and put into service in various capacities.
The R-1830s were several hundred pounds heavier than the R-1820s and since the plane had initially been designed around R-1535s they may have been running into CG problems.No doubt they should have been using the P&W 1830's instead.
The Bf109's gear was actually designed to handle unimproved (grass) operations, this attribute would certainly mean it was rugged enough for carrier ops.
The R-1830s were several hundred pounds heavier than the R-1820s and since the plane had initially been designed around R-1535s they may have been running into CG problems.[/QUOTE
What's the diff? Frontal area of the 1535 was so close to the 1830 as to be practically insignificant. The 1820, on the other hand, was a barn door, besides being a boneshaker. I've ridden behind both 1820 and 1830. I'll take a Pratt any day.Thank you for the pictures. The smaller nacelle may be for the Twin Wasp Junior R - 1535 and not the Twin Wasp R-1830.
If the goal would be to have a 350-mph fighter on carrier decks du 1941,IMHO the best bet would have been to rush out a production version of the XF4U without making the changes they actually made. Of course this wouldn't have been a very good aircraft, and it would have been an even worse carrier aircraft, but it would have been at least as good as its competitors, the navalized Airocobra and the F5F, because those aircraft would have had uncorrected problems of similar or greater magnitude if rushed into service in
A short note about the P-43: The P-43 had roughly a 20-MPH speed advantage over the F4F.-3 with the same engine. This difference is in line with the difference in speed between the Spitfire and the Seafire, and it is roughly equal to the difference in speed between contemporary F4Us and P-47s. A navalized P-43 would have been no faster than the F4F-3.
The F4F-3 was a state-of-the-art carrier fighter in 1941. The A6M Zero was too. The designers of both aircraft just made different choices. The two-staged supercharger on the F4F-3 was an advanced technology of the time, and the Navy couldn't get enough of the two-staged engine to power all the planes Grumman could produce, hence a few planes were built as F4F-3A with a single-stage engine. As of December 7, 1941, the U.S. Navy was still in the process of replacing the F2A Buffalos on its carriers with F4Fs. In late 1941 Grumman shifted from building the F4F-3 to the F4F-4. Instead of going for a faster aircraft with the F4F-4, the Navy wanted a better protected, harder hitting fighter, so the F4F-4 was slower, had less range, and was much worse in a climb than the F4F-3. On the other hand, with folding wings, more F4F-4s could be carried on each carrier which made up for the loss in performance.
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A short note about the P-43: The P-43 had roughly a 20-MPH speed advantage over the F4F.-3 with the same engine. This difference is in line with the difference in speed between the Spitfire and the Seafire, and it is roughly equal to the difference in speed between contemporary F4Us and P-47s. A navalized P-43 would have been no faster than the F4F-3.
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F4f-3 was a pretty solid little fighter with good performance for it's time. F4F-4 was a pig. Period.
The P43 had a 20 mph speed advantage over the F4F-3, but they weighed exactly the same when they did the tests. Of course the P43 had 1,200 hp from SL to 25,000 so the higher it went the more the gap opened up. I am quite surprised that the P43 was 20 mph faster than the F4F-3 at sea level. They were exactly the same weight, so that would mean the Wildcat had more drag than the P43?????