4 Most Important

[joy17782]

ha your a funny feller. dont like it dont read it ,am a damned redneck, not a slapjaw

 

[comiso90]

Adler... we got some new quotes for you!

 

[joy17782]

yeah adler , there on my 6 for my typeing , am a craneoperator not a computer geek , about the only time i get on this is too go here, ill try too proof read and type slow, sorry comiso ,

 

[kool kitty89]

There are some ancient threads on here about "the best plane of ww2" The C-47 was determined the best. Few people would argue with you.
The C-47 should be on everybodys list

Not as ancient as you think, or at least not dead. I posted on it not 2 months ago: http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/aviation/best-world-war-ii-aircraft-3541-53.html

For that reason I also picked the R-1820 and R-1830 as the most importan engines of the war. (there's also the use on the B-17, B-24, F4F it goes on)

 

[comiso90]

yeah adler , there on my 6 for my typeing , am a craneoperator not a computer geek , about the only time i get on this is too go here

You probably make more money than I ever will. Crane operators can make good money and it take skill... and it can be dangerous. Welcome to the forum.

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[joy17782]

yeah but its long weeks away from home ,i do gov contracts and state ,not braggin but around 50 a hour , and winter times are slow but ill take it , takeing off agian monday for kentucky, should be down there for 2 weeks then home agian for 3 days , but cant complain much , i love the job

 

[comiso90]

yeah but its long weeks away from home ,i do gov contracts and state ,not braggin but around 50 a hour , and winter times are slow but ill take it , takeing off agian monday for kentucky, should be down there for 2 weeks then home agian for 3 days , but cant complain much , i love the job

sounds like a good gig

8)

 

[joy17782]

not that bad , what do you do for a livein .hey were be in ca in june i think in san diego. for 3 weeks

 

[Thorlifter]

Thanks Thor..

I dont want do anguish over a logic matrix BUT, if you list the Hurricane as one of the 4 most important planes to the allied cause, are you saying that the allies would have lost without Britain?

No sir, not at all, but it could have lead to serious problems. All I'm stating is, in my eyes, the Hurricane was more vital to the RAF than the Spitfire. Not after 1943, but early on. I ask this.....

What would have happened to Britian if there were no Spitfires and they only had Hurricanes? IMO.......same outcome.

What would have happened to Britain if there were no Hurricanes and Britain only had the handful of Spitfires and they had? England would have been in trouble.

The RAF falls because they only had limited Spitfires (no Hurricanes). What does that do to the America's plans? No RAF to offer support to the 8th AF. Remember, the Mustang wasn't available yet so the only plane the U.S. had to offer was the Tomahawk Mk II.....or was it the Mk III?

Long story short.....I'm just trying to show where ramifications of not having the Hurricane was more dire than not having the Spitfire. Thus, the Hurricane was more important.

 

[comiso90]

What would have happened to Britian if there were no Spitfires and they only had Hurricanes? IMO.......same outcome.

What would have happened to Britain if there were no Hurricanes and Britain only had the handful of Spitfires and they had? England would have been in trouble.

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I agree that the Hurricane was more important than the Spit. I guess it's just interpretation of the thread. The Hurricane was vital to the survival of England Therefor the Hurricane helped the war end in 1945.

My thinking was more focused on the allied victory which I believe could have been achieved with Russian, Australian, Canadian, South African, Indian and American resources. So.. I Intentionality omitted British aircraft.

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[kool kitty89]

Without Britain where would the Allies have their base of operations to srrike back at Germany?


And without the Hurricane the only thing to Suplement the Spitfire at the BoB would be the Gladiator! (assuming Gloster's F.5/34 didn't pan out)

 

[Thorlifter]

Without Britain where would the Allies have their base of operations to srrike back at Germany?

Good question. Lets say England falls. I see three avenues for the U.S. to offer aid.

1. Occupy northern England and work your way back down towards London.
2. Start the war from the back door and go through Africa....Italy....and so on.
3. Start from the north and go down from Sweden and Norway then Poland.

#3 is probably the worst, but its still an option.

But this is getting off track for this thread.

 

[comiso90]

Without Britain where would the Allies have their base of operations to srrike back at Germany?

Thats fodder for a different thread.. and has been. It's what I believe... I hate to get into it... but



The War would have lasted longer!

In a nut shell, I believe time was against Germany. If they used resources to pound England... that would have just made Russia stronger. The German Frontier would have been too huge to defend.

American industry and Russian brutality and determination would have prevailed...

Too many "what ifs"...
My intention was not to start a new discussion but to justify my reason for including only American aircraft.

Because I feel a bit guilty for only mentioning Yank Planes... I really like the British Birds.

 

[kool kitty89]

We also could have based on the Eastern front and sent air forces via the Alaska-Siberia route. And since we'd most likley put most forces aganst Japan they'd likely have fallen much quicker and then we'd have the whole area free to enter Russia and cooperate on the eastern front.

But you're right, let's drop it.

My choyces so far I think are 1. C-47, 2. Hurricane/P-40/F4F (each having a similar effect in their theaters), 3. B-17/B-24/Lanc (they are close, and few to no effective alternatves), 4. B-29

I'm not sure what to do with escort fighters though, daylight bombers need them but from a "what if" mindset the P-51 was hardly the only choice. However, if we go with wad they did and not what they could have, the P-51 is THE escort fighter of the war. (though technically the P-38 is the only one capable of full range B-29 escort)

Plus you have to considder the role of tactical fighter-bombers with the allied invasions. Stratiegic bombing is one thing, but tactical bombing and support are also very important. (strategic bombing can win the war, but without invasion it's difficult to end the war, inless you've got an A-bomb...)

 

[Njaco]

Ok, I finally decided on my final 4 based on Most Important and that meaning what were the contributions to the total war effort.

Spitfire - for the reasons I previously stated.

P-40 - Was used in almost all theatres and again, held the line until better machines arrived.

B-25 - Again all theatres and was a great stop gap until the 17 or 24 or 29 could be around in massed numbers to finish the job. Then was able to revert to a ground attack role in the PTO and was effective.

C-47 - workhorse and backbone of not only the air force but ground forces as well. Able to adapt to new roles very quickly.

I tried to pick machines that contributed to the total war effort, and not specialized duties or not the best. The B-17, B-24, Lancaster and B-29 were very instrumental in the war effort but still only within doctrine. Same for the P-51 and P-47 and the Grumman. But as a platform to take the war to the enemy on all fronts until these specialized planes were introduced or planes that fit within the doctrine of attack were available these planes gave the Allies the time needed for implementation. IMHO

 

[Thorlifter]

That's a good group Njaco.....and from my understanding of your post, you took the planes that were able to slow down/stop the Axis advance until "specialized" planes came around.......which was extremely important.

I think the only plane that is a no brainer in this discussion is the C-47. All others are more or less opinion. But I like your group and your reasoning.

So you get a good grade!

 

[Njaco]

I wanna star! I wanna star!... and put it right here.....!!!

 

[Thorlifter]

Ok....

 

[kool kitty89]

Hey I'm the one who first pointed out that one of most important acheivements was to hold the line agant the enemy with whatever you've got enough of: ie the P-40 Hurricane Wildcat. Any you guys get all the credit. Though I missed the B-25...


I think I'm at:
C-47
Hurricane
P-40
B-25 or maybe Wildcat