stug3
Staff Sergeant
Not really, the SB-17 was a rescue variant so maybe assisting oil companies in the desert scoping out new deposits?
50s aircraft that originated during World War II
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Not really, the SB-17 was a rescue variant so maybe assisting oil companies in the desert scoping out new deposits?
Dash119
Senior Airman
Looks like the B-17 is trying to snag a line between the two trucks. Testing some early version of the Fulton surface-to-air recovery system?
As the Scottish put it, snatching defeat from the jaws of victory...
Hispano Buchon, and no, it's not. It's the same tyre as a standard Bf 109G-2, from which the Hispano built Messerschmitts originated.
Well, the Nazis did put a base on the moon, fly a non-existent Ju 390 to New York to have it crash in Greenland/Argentina/Uruguay depending on the source and they detonated an atomic bomb in East Germany, so, wonders never cease...
cvairwerks
Staff Sergeant
The Fulton system was an outgrowth of the glider snatching system from WW2. The development really got going about 1950. Fulton used a P2V for most of his testing. The original glider system used a loop held up by poles, but Fulton moved to a balloon lofted line pretty quickly.
Here's a couple of minute video on the glider snatch process.
Here's a couple of minute video on the glider snatch process.
SaparotRob
Unter Gemeine Geschwader Murmeltier XIII
Nice post, cvairwerks. It was a lot more complicated than I thought.
MiTasol
1st Lieutenant
I am not familiar with the Fulton system but the Brits were picking up messages and packages in the 30s using Hawker Hinds and similar aircraft.
I suggest you read Neville Shutes book No Highway
The author was an airship and aircraft designer and a founder of Airspeed among other things and wrote a number of novels on aviation. No highway was published before the Comet saga and is a novel about an airliner that was having unexplained accidents due to metal fatigue. His autobiography Slide Rule is most interesting and it is time I re read it.
Earlier - just pre war - he wrote a book called something like Whatever happened to the Corbetts about what would happen if the Germans bombed British cities. The "experts" rubbished it and said it was a load of alarmist crap.
Once the bombing started it instantly became the de-facto training manual for the civil defense forces because he had covered all the problems that arose - water in sewage lines and vice versa, gas leaks, fires, what we now call supply chain issues, etc etc etc.
I suggest you read Neville Shutes book No Highway
The author was an airship and aircraft designer and a founder of Airspeed among other things and wrote a number of novels on aviation. No highway was published before the Comet saga and is a novel about an airliner that was having unexplained accidents due to metal fatigue. His autobiography Slide Rule is most interesting and it is time I re read it.
Earlier - just pre war - he wrote a book called something like Whatever happened to the Corbetts about what would happen if the Germans bombed British cities. The "experts" rubbished it and said it was a load of alarmist crap.
Once the bombing started it instantly became the de-facto training manual for the civil defense forces because he had covered all the problems that arose - water in sewage lines and vice versa, gas leaks, fires, what we now call supply chain issues, etc etc etc.
cvairwerks
Staff Sergeant
The aerial pickup process dates back into the 1920's, but weights were quite small. During WW2, maybe as much as 2-3 pounds could be done without too much problem, but it took a strong guy to that take that shock load.
Found this on the early Fulton system:
The Brodie System probably had a considerable amount of influence on Fulton and his design and operation. Here's a kinda long video on the Brodie System being used shipboard. There was also a version for ground based operations. I haven't seen any film of the ground version, only manuals and some photos.
Found this on the early Fulton system:
The Brodie System probably had a considerable amount of influence on Fulton and his design and operation. Here's a kinda long video on the Brodie System being used shipboard. There was also a version for ground based operations. I haven't seen any film of the ground version, only manuals and some photos.
Hi
The pick-up system dates back to 1916 when it was developed in the Middle-East by the RFC and the idea is associated with Sir Geoffrey Salmond, there were improvements made to it by 1918 and both were tried out on the Western Front but found unsuitable for the war conditions at the time in that Theatre, it was used in the Middle East. This was the 'wire' method. The 'stick' method was a post-WW1 design and both were compared in trials by the RAF in 1925 where they had things in favour and against, the 'wire' method was better in uneven terrain for instance as the aircraft could fly higher ( the report also mentions that in the past hydrogen balloons and a message attached to a parachute fired by a rifle and both were found to have serious disadvantages). Both methods were used by the British throughout the inter-war, WW2 and post-war. Other air arms took it up post WW2, again either or both methods, this included the German, Polish, Japanese and US as well as the CW air arms. The US post office also used the hook method to pick up mail Today the technique is still used by aircraft that tow banners, but the principle dates back to 1916 and the British.
The 1916 method below:
The CIA post WW2 are stated as using the system to pick up 'agents', this is possibly what the B-17 in a previous post was trying out?:
The Glider pick-up system that was used during WW2 was basically a 'heavy duty' version of the system.
Mike
The pick-up system dates back to 1916 when it was developed in the Middle-East by the RFC and the idea is associated with Sir Geoffrey Salmond, there were improvements made to it by 1918 and both were tried out on the Western Front but found unsuitable for the war conditions at the time in that Theatre, it was used in the Middle East. This was the 'wire' method. The 'stick' method was a post-WW1 design and both were compared in trials by the RAF in 1925 where they had things in favour and against, the 'wire' method was better in uneven terrain for instance as the aircraft could fly higher ( the report also mentions that in the past hydrogen balloons and a message attached to a parachute fired by a rifle and both were found to have serious disadvantages). Both methods were used by the British throughout the inter-war, WW2 and post-war. Other air arms took it up post WW2, again either or both methods, this included the German, Polish, Japanese and US as well as the CW air arms. The US post office also used the hook method to pick up mail Today the technique is still used by aircraft that tow banners, but the principle dates back to 1916 and the British.
The 1916 method below:
The CIA post WW2 are stated as using the system to pick up 'agents', this is possibly what the B-17 in a previous post was trying out?:
The Glider pick-up system that was used during WW2 was basically a 'heavy duty' version of the system.
Mike
GrauGeist
Generalfeldmarschall zur Luftschiff Abteilung
The Ryan FR-1 was used, actually.
The USN was taking deliveries of the FR-1 by spring of '45 and VF-66 was working up to combat status with them.
The war ended before they could be deployed and like many other aircraft types, the Ryan's order was cancelled.
The Navy did keep the 70 or so FR-1s in service with VF-41 until 1947, when the Fireball was retired.
I thought i would mention it no talks about it
I can belive they flew it to new york considering they actually did bulid one
GrauGeist
Generalfeldmarschall zur Luftschiff Abteilung
It's mentioned in many other places on the forums, but in this thread, it's about WWII era aircraft that served in the 50's and beyond.
The Fireball was retired and out of service before 1950
I triedIt's mentioned in many other places on the forums, but in this thread, it's about WWII era aircraft that served in the 50's and beyond.
The Fireball was retired and out of service before 1950
No they didn't, it is a retrodden myth. Only one was built and it never went to New York. The aircraft designer was interrogated by the British after the war, as well as crews from the long range groups and no evidence of any sort came out from this, no pilots reports, no intelligence reports, no information whatsoever. The Germans left paper trails miles long and no mention in any about any such raid. It's a fiction made up by fantasists.
SaparotRob
Unter Gemeine Geschwader Murmeltier XIII
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