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Point I am trying to make is that the P-38 got a lot more power as time went on for very little weight gain. Helped by better fuel.
If the Germans start work in 1938-40 they have limited options for engines and limited growth for existing engines.
Jets screw everything up. The Jumo jet engines weighed about what a two stage R-1830 did but gave a lot more thrust. Burned a lot more fuel too
Trying to figure out what a piston engine equivalent would be gets very hard.
He 219 needs a lot of shifting around. They could carry around 3370 liters of fuel inside the fuselage and the rear of the engine nacelles. The wing roots carried a lot of 20mm ammo.
They carried all the ammo for the belly tray guns.
you could swap fuel into the wing roots where the ammo was (wing root guns are hard as the length of the gun means the ammo has be near the mid point of the wing.
But we also run into the volume/weight thing. Unless you want to just use one large bomb (Mosquito with Cookie) you run out of volume faster than you run out of weight.
A bomb by itself is heavier per unit of volume but a bomb bay built for multiple bombs needs room to hoist them, fasten them and rig safety wires.
When using the Mosquito as a model lets remember that it held four 500lb bombs internally for a large part of it's life, sometimes a pair of 1000lb target markers.
Keep our expectations of a small, fast twin bomber to near those levels.
I am not saying the allies actually planned better. They got lucky and were able to develop the Turbo Allison when 2-3 of the American 'Wonder engines' died almost as long and painful deaths
He 219 needs a lot of shifting around. They could carry around 3370 liters of fuel inside the fuselage and the rear of the engine nacelles. The wing roots carried a lot of 20mm ammo.
They carried all the ammo for the belly tray guns.
you could swap fuel into the wing roots where the ammo was (wing root guns are hard as the length of the gun means the ammo has be near the mid point of the wing.
But we also run into the volume/weight thing. Unless you want to just use one large bomb (Mosquito with Cookie) you run out of volume faster than you run out of weight.
A bomb by itself is heavier per unit of volume but a bomb bay built for multiple bombs needs room to hoist them, fasten them and rig safety wires.
When using the Mosquito as a model lets remember that it held four 500lb bombs internally for a large part of it's life, sometimes a pair of 1000lb target markers.
Keep our expectations of a small, fast twin bomber to near those levels.
Ok, for the initial Jumo 211 powered version, aiming for a 2 man fast unarmed bomber with a 1000 kg bombload doesn't sound too unrealistic. Later on, an upengined version, say with 801's, could maybe increase that to 2000 kg.
Me 210/410, Ju 288, He 219, Ta 154, Ar 240/440, Do 335 - neither was a succes story wrt. what it did in ww2, apart from He 219 shooting down some number of RAF heavies. Whether due to the faulty design process, no engine materializing, choice of a wrong material, being too late, or a combination of these and other factors, like politics or, indeed, Allies being ever better in air warfare.
The promissing Fw 187 never played the role in the LW plans, while the jet-powered Ar 234 was too late.
Okay, Me 262 was the exception, but it was not available in numbers needed.
So what should've the LW twin-engined A/C looked like, in order to became a worthy opponnet to the Alies, so to speak? Timing is very important consideration, the A/C in question need to be in service as early as 1942, preferably in 1941 (thus having the design process start some time 1938, or 1937 for the use in 1941 - provided the A/C is just a spin-off from what already exists). Roles for the A/C are mostyl that of bombing and night-fighting, and perhaps recon job. Day aerial fighting if one feels adventurous.
Only historical aerodynamics, materials, engines and guns are available.
Thank you.A reasonable case for this is made here (or is at least a part of it)
https://www.calum-douglas.com/dipl-ing-robert-lusser/
Depends on the intended application, but I`d say what you want is just an Me210 with DB601-E`s and without all the ruination imposed by the RLM which destroyed it.
Thank you.
Me 210 is mentioned there under "5.) Overestimation of the possible acceleration of the delivery date."; Lusser is very critical on the intent of the RLM/LW/etc on much shortened development cycle for the new aircraft, that often meant the new project is actually delayed. Me 210 service use was delayed due to the constructive fault - too short the fusleage resulted in an aircraft that was too dangerous to fly; it took time for MTT to admit the mistake and to design longer fuselage in order for the 210 to became an useful combat aircraft.
RLM was probably not guilty of MTT people making the mistake with the initial design of the 210. RLM was also not guilty of MTT choosing 18% t-t-c ratio for the wing root, as if it is 1934 again.
The 13th BS, 3rd BG, 5th AF received 4 A-26B for a combat evaluation between early 1944 and July 1944. They weren't popular. Amongst other things, original canopy design limited visibility and they couldn't be used in the same combat formations as the Group's A-20s as they had different cruising speeds. Douglas was already working on fixes for most of the problems raised by 3rd BG. On completion of the evaluation the aircraft were withdrawn.Didn't 5th AF start getting A26s in fall 1943?
I'd like to focus on a better CAS aircraft to replace the too-small and too-underpowered Henschel Hs 129. Start with two BMW 801 engines and make an armoured single seat, smaller Ju-88 built around a single, internally mounted, high capacity 75 mm (Bordkanone 7,5) or BK 37 mm (Bordkanone 3,7).
But even more important is a twin engine transport like the American C-47. With rare exceptions like the glider-based Gotha Go 244, the Germans never fielded a bespoke twin engined transport of the C-47's class, instead focusing on three, four or even six engined transports. The few twin BMW 801 prototypes of the Arado Ar 232 would have made a good start.
Well, yes, if we're looking to make the best use of a pair of BMW 801s, it's this....And LW had a perfectly good strike aircraft in the FW 190
The Douglas DST (Douglas Sleeper Transport) was only bespoke for a little while. Douglas had no qualms about selling them to anyone after an initial period of supplying them to American Airlines. US Military only got them after hundreds had been sold to commercial operators AND licenses had been given to the Soviet Union and Japan.the Germans never fielded a bespoke twin engined transport
Fw 187?
Germans seemed obsessed with getting high speed by using small wings to reduce speed in the later planes.
Unfortunately this also means you need longer (better?) runways which were not always available in the Theaters they would up fighting in and the Germans did not have amount of construction equipment that the allies had to build better runways. Allies didn't the equipment either in the early part of the war.
Lets compare the British Mosquito to the Ta-154 or try to turn the Mosquito into a Ta-154.
1, Replace the Merlins with Griffin engines. (Heavier and thirstier)
2. Reduce the wing area to about 77%.
3. Reduce the fuel capacity to about 62%.
4. take out the bomb bay. (internal Volume)
Maybe the Germans can use the Ta-154 as an anti Mosquito airplane, but it is a lot less useful for many other roles unless they start cutting and pasting things, Like extra fuselage sections and/or larger wing to hold more fuel for recon, but now the plane is slower and more expensive to make. Using the favored German technique of strapping the bombs on the bottom helps with the escape, not so good if intercepted on the way in.
My old book may very well be wrong on what engines were used in Ta-154, first 2 prototypes were 211Ns (?) and the next 13-15 planes got Jumo 213E s wuth two stage 3 speed superchargers, (?). There may have been more substitutions of other 213 models?1. Most of the engines on Ta 154 that actually flew were very much comparable with 1-stage Merlins, both in weight and consumption. Fw saw the wrong of their ways with trying to install the Jumo 213s on the small wing Ta 154, and moved (but just in theory) towards the Ta 254, with the bigger wing and longer fuselage.
2, 3 & 4 - Good for a fighter, reducing drag and weight = better speed and RoC (things that Hornet gained over Mosquito, among other stuff).
And that is sort of the problem.Everyone was strapping the bombs outside
Granted, a real bomber will need a half-decent bomb bay, or at least a recess that can hold a big bomb.
My old book may very well be wrong on what engines were used in Ta-154, first 2 prototypes were 211Ns (?) and the next 13-15 planes got Jumo 213E s wuth two stage 3 speed superchargers, (?). There may have been more substitutions of other 213 models?
As far as the Hornet goes, great fighter single seat fighter, as bomber? Yes it could carry a pair of 1000lb bombs under the wings but that meant you couldn't carry drop tanks.
(to use another sentenceIn the early part of the war the Germans don't have a 1600hp radial engine. It shows up in 1941. and instead of sticking it in a 21,000lb plane they stuck it in a 33,000lb plane.
Do 217E-2.......................614..............................................19,520.....................................33,070
And that leaves them with the choice of bombs or fuel or going slow.
That leaves the Germans with different versions of the DB601 and Jumo 211 for their fast bombers until 1943 (?).
And that leaves them with the choice of bombs or fuel or going slow.