well, its all very well having good planes, but you ned the expertise and the balls to be able to fly it in the first place. I recall reading an argument along these lines a bit earlier on in the forum....no matter how quick the plane, how heavily armed etc, if the piliot is crap then he is going to get blown out of the big blue sky because he simply cannot fly for toffee. Ironically, it will probably be an ace in a pants plane that blows him out of the sky