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the lancaster kicks ass
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i wouldn't call it good looking, she has beauty yes, but i wouldn't call her good looking........
loomaluftwaffe
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not a French Bomber though
the lancaster kicks ass
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i know i think that's where it's going wrong.......
Not a large enough Greenhouse in the nose... 
loomaluftwaffe
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and its as streamlined as a torpedo... French bombers are streamlined like boxes
the lancaster kicks ass
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but damn they look good.........
loomaluftwaffe
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oh, instead of looking at pictures, get a cardboard box and admire it
cheddar cheese
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the lancaster kicks ass said:
WTF are you on about? If you think something has beauty then obviously you think its good looking...
loomaluftwaffe
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not really, there are diff. kinds of beauty, not only in looks.
but damn that buggatti's hot
but damn that buggatti's hot
the lancaster kicks ass
Major General
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yeah looma's right, something can have beauty but you don't have to think it's good looking, like a painting, you may apprechiate the artist's tallent and the skill that went into the painting, doesn't mean you have to like the painting.............
loomaluftwaffe
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ya, like the Mona Lisa, da Vinci forgot her eyebrows
cheddar cheese
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the lancaster kicks ass said:
Thats different, thats appreciation of effort...
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Twitch
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Well how about a brand new Stuka boys and girls!
JU187
The shortcomings of the Ju 87 are well known now and were acknowledged early in the war. While many companies put forth designs for a replacement none is bizarre as the Junkers concept.
The strange part was the movable vertical tail fin. It could be rotated180 degrees in flight to give the rear gunner a clear field of fire. The 58.25-foot wing was the familiar inverted gull but beyond the bend it featured an anhedral droop with dive brakes at the trailing edge. The main landing gear retracted into a slight bulge under the wing.
Armament was upgrade from the original with the rear gunner having a 20 mm MG 151 plus 13 mm MG 131 machine gun in a turret at his disposal. Two 20 mm or 30 mm would have fired from the wings at the angle change. 1,332 lbs. of ordnance was to hang beneath the wings and 38.75-foot fuselage. Power was to come from a 1,750 HP Jumo 213A 12-cylinder.
A full-sized mock-up was even built but the program was canceled since the projected performance was not a significant improvement from the older Ju 87. And even famed Stuka pilot Hans Rudel was flying the FW 190, which was doing the job just as well. But not to give in, the Junkers engineers redesigned it as the Ju 287 with forward swept, from the wings and jet power in late 1943. But this was a totally different aircraft unlike the 187 in any way. Details of estimated performance are unknown.
JU187
The shortcomings of the Ju 87 are well known now and were acknowledged early in the war. While many companies put forth designs for a replacement none is bizarre as the Junkers concept.
The strange part was the movable vertical tail fin. It could be rotated180 degrees in flight to give the rear gunner a clear field of fire. The 58.25-foot wing was the familiar inverted gull but beyond the bend it featured an anhedral droop with dive brakes at the trailing edge. The main landing gear retracted into a slight bulge under the wing.
Armament was upgrade from the original with the rear gunner having a 20 mm MG 151 plus 13 mm MG 131 machine gun in a turret at his disposal. Two 20 mm or 30 mm would have fired from the wings at the angle change. 1,332 lbs. of ordnance was to hang beneath the wings and 38.75-foot fuselage. Power was to come from a 1,750 HP Jumo 213A 12-cylinder.
A full-sized mock-up was even built but the program was canceled since the projected performance was not a significant improvement from the older Ju 87. And even famed Stuka pilot Hans Rudel was flying the FW 190, which was doing the job just as well. But not to give in, the Junkers engineers redesigned it as the Ju 287 with forward swept, from the wings and jet power in late 1943. But this was a totally different aircraft unlike the 187 in any way. Details of estimated performance are unknown.
the lancaster kicks ass
Major General
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My Dictionary for "beauty" said:
something can have beauty without it appearing beautiful to you...........
cheddar cheese
Major General
"Your garden is beautiful but it looks horrible."
It doesnt work.
It doesnt work.
the lancaster kicks ass
Major General
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no, but it does work if you say "i can see why others believe your garden has beauty, however it is not beauty that appeals to me", which isn't working with extremes which, incidentally is a trade mark of the dark lords of the Sith
loomaluftwaffe
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got that from luft46 obviouslyTwitch said:Well how about a brand new Stuka boys and girls!
JU187
The shortcomings of the Ju 87 are well known now and were acknowledged early in the war. While many companies put forth designs for a replacement none is bizarre as the Junkers concept.
The strange part was the movable vertical tail fin. It could be rotated180 degrees in flight to give the rear gunner a clear field of fire. The 58.25-foot wing was the familiar inverted gull but beyond the bend it featured an anhedral droop with dive brakes at the trailing edge. The main landing gear retracted into a slight bulge under the wing.
Armament was upgrade from the original with the rear gunner having a 20 mm MG 151 plus 13 mm MG 131 machine gun in a turret at his disposal. Two 20 mm or 30 mm would have fired from the wings at the angle change. 1,332 lbs. of ordnance was to hang beneath the wings and 38.75-foot fuselage. Power was to come from a 1,750 HP Jumo 213A 12-cylinder.
A full-sized mock-up was even built but the program was canceled since the projected performance was not a significant improvement from the older Ju 87. And even famed Stuka pilot Hans Rudel was flying the FW 190, which was doing the job just as well. But not to give in, the Junkers engineers redesigned it as the Ju 287 with forward swept, from the wings and jet power in late 1943. But this was a totally different aircraft unlike the 187 in any way. Details of estimated performance are unknown.
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Twitch
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Yeah the image is from Luft 46 but Junkers had several designs they were kicking around for the "new and improved Stuka" and this was one that existed in mock up form so it was somewhat of a substantial direction they were heading.
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Twitch
Staff Sergeant
So if the Ju 187 wasn't wasn't a contender for a new dive bomber let's look at the Henschel Hs 132
HS 132A C
The Stuka was a fine weapon against more primitive enemies with weaker defenses allowing pin point bomb delivery but as early as the Battle of Britain in 1940 its weakness were apparent. The Stuka was totally outclassed as an effective dive-bomber considering the aircraft opposing it.
By 1943 the Air Ministry began looking for replacement with speed and endurance. Henschel engineers' tried to make it a small a target possible so they positioned the pilot in the prone arrangement. Laying on his stomach the pilot could withstand G forces a sitting pilot could not.
The Hs 132 was designed to take 12Gs compared to 8 Gs of the normal piston-powered dive-bomber though it was constructed out of the minimum of strategic materials. The 29.2-foot fuselage was metal but the 23.6-foot wings and tail were wood. A single BMW 003A with 1,984 lbs. thrust sat above the fuselage like the He 162. It exhaust passed between a "V" shaped twin fin tail. A tricycle undercarriage was used for the 7,496 lb. loaded plane.
2,205 lbs. of bombs and/or armor-piercing air-to-ground rockets was its offensive ordnance while a pair of 30 mm Mk 108 with 60 RPG and pair of 20 mm MG 151s with 250 RPG defended it. Speed was to be 485 MPH clean at 19,686 feet and about 435 MPH with ordnance. It was estimated that a ceiling of 34,450 would be had and a range of 423 miles. A "C" was contemplated using the 2,866 lb. thrust HeS 011A-1 with performance not estimated.
The Hs 132V1 was getting ready for flight trials when the Russians rolled in to the area in April 1945. Prototypes V2 and V3 were about 75-80 percent complete.
The Russians probably completed the prototypes as they did with many other captured craft. The Hs 132 was a solid design that would have been a good shorter-range dive-bomber.
HS 132A C
The Stuka was a fine weapon against more primitive enemies with weaker defenses allowing pin point bomb delivery but as early as the Battle of Britain in 1940 its weakness were apparent. The Stuka was totally outclassed as an effective dive-bomber considering the aircraft opposing it.
By 1943 the Air Ministry began looking for replacement with speed and endurance. Henschel engineers' tried to make it a small a target possible so they positioned the pilot in the prone arrangement. Laying on his stomach the pilot could withstand G forces a sitting pilot could not.
The Hs 132 was designed to take 12Gs compared to 8 Gs of the normal piston-powered dive-bomber though it was constructed out of the minimum of strategic materials. The 29.2-foot fuselage was metal but the 23.6-foot wings and tail were wood. A single BMW 003A with 1,984 lbs. thrust sat above the fuselage like the He 162. It exhaust passed between a "V" shaped twin fin tail. A tricycle undercarriage was used for the 7,496 lb. loaded plane.
2,205 lbs. of bombs and/or armor-piercing air-to-ground rockets was its offensive ordnance while a pair of 30 mm Mk 108 with 60 RPG and pair of 20 mm MG 151s with 250 RPG defended it. Speed was to be 485 MPH clean at 19,686 feet and about 435 MPH with ordnance. It was estimated that a ceiling of 34,450 would be had and a range of 423 miles. A "C" was contemplated using the 2,866 lb. thrust HeS 011A-1 with performance not estimated.
The Hs 132V1 was getting ready for flight trials when the Russians rolled in to the area in April 1945. Prototypes V2 and V3 were about 75-80 percent complete.
The Russians probably completed the prototypes as they did with many other captured craft. The Hs 132 was a solid design that would have been a good shorter-range dive-bomber.
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