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"All of Vlad's forces and all of Vlad's men, are out to put Humpty together again."

Interesting. The best moment to start a military purge is in the middle of a war. :twisted: https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1673887311371665413
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GrauGeist said:
It does happen outside of the U.S., it just doesn't seem to be newsworthy for some reason.

List of mass shootings in Russia - Wikipedia

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For multiple reasons:

1. The Russian media never pushes negative reporting about the situation in the Motherland…just like in the Soviet era when life was wonderful all the time (despite people queueing for hours just to get a loaf of bread).

2. Coverage of foreign news by most US news agencies is pretty minimal. If it's not the British Royal Family or a famine in Africa, it simply won't get reported in the US. I'm being a bit facetious here but my general point is valid.

3. The incidence rate is a lot lower in other nations, even in Russia (although I don't trust the numbers cited in the Wikipedia article because of #1 above). Per that site, Russia seems to average about 6 mass shootings per year.


All that said, this has little to do with Ukraine and the US Second Amendment has absolutely no bearing on this thread…so I recommend we all return to the subject matter that we should be discussing here.
 
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RogerdeLluria said:
www.nytimes.com

Russian General Knew About Mercenary Chief’s Rebellion Plans, U.S. Officials Say (Published 2023)

Yevgeny Prigozhin, the head of Wagner, may have believed he had support in Russia’s military.
www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com
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I think the US State Department is trying to add to Putin's paranoia of his generals. Perhaps a Stalin-like purge of the officer corps is coming. In the 1930s Stalin's purge left the Soviet army in disarray and ripe for defeat by Germany. Ukraine can hope for the same.
 
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Admiral Beez said:
I think the US State Department is trying to add to Putin's paranoia of his generals. Perhaps a Stalin-like purge of the officer corps is coming. In the 1930s Stalin's purge left the Soviet army in disarray and ripe for defeat by Germany. Ukraine can hold for the same.
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I's actually irrelevant if its true or not. If it's true, US officials have to make it public so that the purge starts. If it's not true, they have to say it anyway so that the purge starts.
 
Russian President Vladimir Putin is trying to present Wagner Group financier Yevgeny Prigozhin as corrupt and a liar to destroy his reputation among Wagner personnel and within Russian society. Putin implied on June 27 that "the owner of Concord company" (the Concord company is the parent company of Prigozhin's catering company) lied about the Wagner Group private military company's (PMC) independence from the Kremlin and the lack of state compensation for Wagner personnel.[1]Putin publicly claimed for the first time since Wagner's founding that the Kremlin "fully funds" and "fully supplies" the Wagner PMC and claimed that the Kremlin made various payments to Wagner personnel and their families from Russia's federal budget. Putin added that "the owner of the Concord Company" received 80 billion rubles (about $936 million) between May 2022 and May 2023 for delivering and catering food to the Russian military, and that the Kremlin will investigate whether the company stole anything during its work for the Kremlin. Putin was clearly referring to Prigozhin, who is the owner of the Concord Company Group and previously worked as Putin's personal caterer, but Putin continues to refuse to say Prigozhin's name.[2] Putin's insinuation that the Kremlin will investigate the Concord Company may be preparation to justify the Kremlin's confiscation of Prigozhin's assets via corruption charges.

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Lukashenko likely seeks to closely control any Wagner Group forces that move into Belarus. Lukashenko stressed that the Wagner Group will not open recruitment centers in Belarus as it did in Russia but that Belarusians - and presumably other nationals- will be allowed to join the Wagner Group in Belarus.[10] Lukashenko's description suggests that the Wagner Group will primarily act as a training and advisory partner for the Belarusian military. Lukashenko stated that Wagner forces have more training than the Belarusian military and that the Belarusian military could benefit from the Wagner Group's extensive combat experience.[11] Lukashenko denied claims that Belarusian authorities have already begun establishing field camps for Wagner Group fighters but said Belarus would create camps if Wagner requested them.[12]

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The ongoing Putin-Lukashenko-Prigozhin powerplay is not yet over and will continue to have short-term and long-term consequences that may benefit Ukraine. Director of the Russian National Guard (Rosgvardia) Viktor Zolotov announced on June 27 that Rosgvardia will receive heavy weapons and tanks.[19] The announcement indicates that the Kremlin is attempting to address regime security issues that transpired during Prigozhin's armed rebellion on June 24 – such as Russia's security forces' inability or unwillingness to repel a mechanized drive on Moscow. The transfer of heavy military equipment to Rosgvardia for internal security will tie up weapons that could otherwise be used in Ukraine. The Russian MoD also announced on June 27 preparations to transfer the Wagner Group's heavy military equipment to unspecified elements of the Russian Armed Forces.[20] This transfer will deprive Wagner forces of organic heavy mechanized equipment and suggests that the Russian MoD seeks to dissolve previously separate Wagner units, atomize Wagner Group fighters, and integrate them into regular Russian units to minimize the risk of any repeated Wagner-driven mutiny attempts.



Institute for the Study of War

This page collects ISW and CTP's updates on the conflict in Ukraine. In late February 2022, ISW began publishing daily synthetic products covering key events related to renewed Russian aggression against Ukraine.
www.understandingwar.org www.understandingwar.org
 
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buffnut453 said:
For multiple reasons:

1. The Russian media never pushes negative reporting about the situation in the Motherland…just like in the Soviet era when life was wonderful all the time (despite people queueing for hours just to get a loaf of bread).

2. Coverage of foreign news by most US news agencies is pretty minimal. If it's not the British Royal Family or a famine in Africa, it simply won't get reported in the US. I'm being a bit facetious here but my general point is valid.

3. The incidence rate is a lot lower in other nations, even in Russia (although I don't trust the numbers cited in the Wikipedia article because of #1 above). Per that site, Russia seems to average about 6 mass shootings per year.


All that said, this has little to do with Ukraine and the US Second Amendment has absolutely no bearing on this thread…so I recommend we all return to the subject matter that we should be discussing here.
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Apologies all. I didn't mean to bring up a hot button issue. It was a thoughtless "throw-away" line. I was thinking what it must be like to live in Russia. Criminals who terrorized communities and had been removed from the populace are now returning. Probably armed.
Carry on. Nothing to see here.
 
SaparotRob said:
Apologies all. I didn't mean to bring up a hot button issue. It was a thoughtless "throw-away" line. I was thinking what it must be like to live in Russia. Criminals who terrorized communities and had been removed from the populace are now returning. Probably armed.
Carry on. Nothing to see here.
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There is no doubt that hardened criminals, brutalised by the Soviet penal system, further traumatised by the particularly callous treatment and style of fighting forced on them by Wagner where few survived and after six months, dropped back into a peaceful society without any preparation. Pose a very real and dangerous threat to normal Russian civilians.

Some of the examples I am seeing are real horror stories
 
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